vrod with leaf suspension

[Nick]

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/index.m...search+Doc+name (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/index.mv?search+Doc+name)
Check out this guy's volksrod project (halfway down the page). He said he put about $800 into the project before selling it and all handbuilt style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif He emailed me more picts:
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/vrod2.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/vrod2b.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/vrod2c.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/vrod2d.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/vrod2f.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/vrod2h.jpg

[crack monkey]

wow that looks great... its too bad he sold it

[Unkl Ian]

Very cool.

That looks like a '40 Ford front axle.
Any idea what the steering box is ?

Notice the Cleco fasteners on the hood sides? This guy knows what he's doing.

[Dutch VeeRod]

Its good to see something new!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif Great car. On the steering box. Some guys with HotRods use steeringboxes from a VW BUS. Could be the same style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif

[vwfanatic]

that is sweet.....really has the traditional rod look with that suspension

[walt]

Very cool!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif The rear suspension is just like the car that Dragmaster built for Rod & Custom Mag. in the late 60s. Very cool can't wait to see it finished.

[type3rod]

Looks pretty sweet but with the engine in would look a bit funny.Doesnt the inside of the body look like its wood????

[Roadster Cliff]

This is very, very nice work. I really doubt that this car could get this far along for $800 unless he already had most of the parts. This guy should have finished it, it's a great look and he has done fantastic work. I especially like the hand formed aluminum hood assembly. The cleco fasteners tell me this guy has some aircraft experience. It's a shame that when the engine is installed you won't be able to see all of that cool rear leaf spring. Somebody's got to do this set-up.

Cliff

[gowjobs]

Wow... this is exactly the kind of car I've been thinking about building. Would you guys cover the engine with a truck bed/turtledeck or leave it exposed? I'd be tempted to build an abbreviated C-cab delivery body on the back, but that's the showrod fiend in me coming out to play.

Boy, I really need to build one of these...

Dave

[lilbill]

that is too cool style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif i kinda like this nose better though.

[type3rod]

Both of those are sweet but I definatly would cover the rear with a bed or some other type of cab.800 bucks???????? What did he sell it for?????

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>that is too cool  i kinda like this nose better though. [/b][/quote]

Pretty cool... or maybe one more like this?

[gowjobs]

Or... hmmm...

[lilbill]

pretty neat style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif i think the vw styled hood reflects the cars roots though.

[gowjobs]

Not a bad idea, Bill... you mind if I use it when/if I actually get around to building mine?

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by type3rod@Jan 7 2004, 10:50 AM
Looks pretty sweet but with the engine in would look a bit funny.Doesnt the inside of the body look like its wood????
that is just the raw unpainted fiberglass you are seeing.....tends to get a yellowish hue to it......dang, i love that rear suspension.....shame to hide it.

[hotrodheb]

I think that the steering box is probably one that would be used in a sprint car. Yeah, its too bad that he did not finish it before selling it. :angry:

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/eCCStoreFront/smi/product_images//Full/089-1.jpg

[Unkl Ian]

The ratios available in the Sprintcar boxes are too quick for the street.

[Unkl Ian]

I like the one with the cut down Beetle nose,
punch it full of louvers for good measure.
Set up the front end like Frankenshine,so the tie rod runs behind the axle and the hood would drop down between the axle and the steering. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif
And since there is no motor in front,stretch the cowl,or move the firewall,to get some leg room.

[UncleBob]

That VW Bucket is REALLY nice. Wish I could have bought it for $800.

Ever see one of these? It was at the Daytona Turkey Rod-Run. Not too fond of the hood, but it has potential.

[UncleBob]

Guy wanted $4500 for it. It was in BAD shape. I told him to step away from the crack-pipe. Just kidding.

[lilbill]

did you get any history on who made the body?

[type3rod]

Originally posted by lilbill@Jan 7 2004, 02:09 PM
did you get any history on who made the body?
Nick???? Someone here has to know were to get one! That thing is bad motha fuckin ass!!!!!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Ianvwsb73]

When I replaced my pans I got some help from a friend. He showed me all about cleco's. Those things kick ass! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He showed me all about cleco's. Those things kick ass! [/b][/quote]

I always figured they were expensive.
Finally bought some last year.
35 cents each for #30. Brand new.I think the special pliers are $6.00
I bought 100 of them.And a few of the side clamp style.http://www.yardstore.com/tools/imgs/11091.jpg

< http://www.yardstore.com/tools/cleco.htm >

[UncleBob]

Originally posted by lilbill@Jan 7 2004, 02:09 PM
did you get any history on who made the body?
I tried, but the owner knew nothing about it. Not a VW guy.

[Unkl Ian]

Looks like a regular '28-'29 Model A body.
Hard to tell if it's Steel or 'Glas from the pics.

[Nick]

The guys said he wanted to finish it but "never finished it as I was approched by a man with a bag of money$$"... I tried to convince him to get to this forum, dunno if he would though.

[UncleBob]

Originally posted by Unkl Ian@Jan 7 2004, 06:29 PM
Looks like a regular '28-'29 Model A body.
Hard to tell if it's Steel or 'Glas from the pics.
Oh, it's glass. I checked it over pretty good. Looked to be designed for VW chassis, solely. Has 'Ford' on rear engine cover.

[gowjobs]

Total Performance used to make a VW-based T-bucket kit called the "VX-23". I wonder if they still have the jigs/molds to build a frame/body for one. The body looks like a standard '23-'25 T roadster bucket, but I'll bet it had a proprietary interior tub to allow for more footroom up front and some clearance for the tranny nosecone in the back.

Dave

[dez]

i really dont like it. its trying to hard to be something its not.
as nick says it needs to 'show its roots'. for me a volksrod should recognisibly be a vw, but with the same ideas and principles applied to early ford METAL (no fiberglass bodies, this makes it a kit car) applied to a different and more obtainable vehicle, to keep costs down, just as it was back in the day.

the rod in this thread is trying to be a t-bucket, i mean it even says ford on the back! that is what i dont like, rodders dont like (in general) and im not sure why anyone would find it desireable.

i have to aggree tho, the workmanship is very good!

[hotrodheb]

Originally posted by dez@Jan 9 2004, 11:47 AM
i really dont like it. its trying to hard to be something its not.
as nick says it needs to 'show its roots'. for me a volksrod should recognisibly be a vw, but with the same ideas and principles applied to early ford METAL (no fiberglass bodies, this makes it a kit car) applied to a different and more obtainable vehicle, to keep costs down, just as it was back in the day.

the rod in this thread is trying to be a t-bucket, i mean it even says ford on the back! that is what i dont like, rodders dont like (in general) and im not sure why anyone would find it desireable.

i have to aggree tho, the workmanship is very good!
I agree about the one with the engine hidden behind the mock spare tire. The car that this thread was started about looks like it would have the engine completely exposed, so it would be wearing it's heritage with pride!

[gowjobs]

I think it is what it is - the T-bucket is a T-bucket, but it's powered by a VW engine instead of a small-block Chevy or a Buick nailhead. That Model-A abomination is another matter, and should either be burned to the ground, or converted to a wheelstander, IMHO.

Dave

[vwfanatic]

not sure about the total performance T kit.....doesnt ring a bell. I live only about 30 miles from their place....sounds like an investigatory trip may be in order. They are at all the local big shows and swaps. Let's not forget Walt's car. I doubt, you would badmouth that "T-bucket wanna-be"......would you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif


where do you think the term VOLKSROD came from????? :o

[dez]

i think youre missing the point a bit. yeah you can tell wot iti is by the engine sticking out the back, but its the features such like having 'ford' moulded into the fiberglass shell, and the dummy rad grille on the front. why not have a beetle bonnet and front quarters, to show what it really is. i like the way the rear spring has been done, but i think that this is rather pointless too. you cant really see it due to the engine, and im pretty sure that the car will hadle worse than if it had stock style torsion bar suspension.
add to that that i hate fiberglass rods (and cars) in general, in my opinion a fiberglass bodied rod is not a hot rod.

as for the 'volksrod' thing, i believe that was the trade name for a company making these godawful things. in my mind this is not the orgin of the word. 'volksrod' is a combination of the words 'volkswagen' and 'hotrod', thus implying a volkswagen based hotrod.
after all, everyone refers to a 'coke' as a 'coke', when that in fact is a trade name for a certain company in the market of manufacting a soft drink produced from vegitable extracts, along with a lot of others who fall into the same category (pepsi, etc.)

as for walts car, which ones that??? if i dont like a car, i dont pussyfoot around pretending to like it, ile say i dont like it, and ile also say why!

[vwfanatic]

http://www.walts.info/Volks-Rod%20Home.htm style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>and im pretty sure that the car will hadle worse than if it had stock style torsion bar suspension.
[/b][/quote]
The wheels don't know what type of spring you are using,
only how stiff it is and how it is dampened.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>why not have a beetle bonnet and front quarters, to show what it really is. [/b][/quote]


About the only parts on the whole car that are VW are the engine,trans,and steering box.The front axle and spindles are Ford.Tthe rad shell,front and rear springs,and body are reproduction Ford.Everything else is handmade.

If anyone looked at the galleries Nick posted,they would realize this guy has built more VWs than some people have seen.If he wanted it to look like a Beetle,he would have built another Beetle.

[Unkl Ian]

The work of Darrel Mayab:

http://www.decorides.com/deco/dimages/highboy-boattail-with-bg.jpg

From decorides.com

[type3rod]

Originally posted by dez@Jan 9 2004, 11:47 AM
i really dont like it. its trying to hard to be something its not.
as nick says it needs to 'show its roots'. for me a volksrod should recognisibly be a vw, but with the same ideas and principles applied to early ford METAL (no fiberglass bodies, this makes it a kit car) applied to a different and more obtainable vehicle, to keep costs down, just as it was back in the day.

the rod in this thread is trying to be a t-bucket, i mean it even says ford on the back! that is what i dont like, rodders dont like (in general) and im not sure why anyone would find it desireable.

i have to aggree tho, the workmanship is very good!
Are you saying you dont like the original posted pic or the last one???? Personaly I like the first better. I think it all matters on what the person can afford.If somone,like Cliff, cant afford a high dollar rod then they make do with a vw powered custom. As far as the fiberglass deal,the first pic I dig. I mean the guy made it from nothing,thats pretty impresive. I know everyone has there own opinions on cars and such but even if its not "to your liking" you got to be impressed by his custom work. I like your honesty though.

[type3rod]

Originally posted by Unkl Ian@Jan 9 2004, 08:29 PM
The work of Darrel Mayab:

http://www.decorides.com/deco/dimages/highboy-boattail-with-bg.jpg

From decorides.com
thats pimpin style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif !!!

[lilbill]

Originally posted by Unkl Ian@Jan 9 2004, 08:26 PM

The wheels don't know what type of spring you are using,
only how stiff it is and how it is dampened.



bzzzzzzzz-wrong B)
not all springs (or methods of springing) are created equal. besides "stiffness" there is "rate". also some springs will actually release more energy than is applied to them. also different methods of suspending a chassis on it's wheels contribute to the handling characteristics of the vehicle.
a lot of these custom cars have scratch built or modified chassis' that look bitchin' but would be pure shit (or extremly dangerous) to drive.
the same can be said about the new wave of "choppers". i've riden bikes like you see on american chopper and monster garage and they handle like crap. the front end geometry combined with the long swept back bars give them a "wiggly" feeling. in the real world of street riding you are constantly dodging idiot car drivers, pot holes and road debris plus rain slick roads, gravel etc. those killer looking choppers lack the agility and control to do any of that. i've put THOUSANDS of miles on old school style choppers (only slightly better) and thousands more on stock bikes of all kinds so i know where at i speaketh. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif
i hate to keep repeating myself but for the benifit of newbys and folks here that are new to the custom car hobby:
MODIFYING A VEHICLES CHASSIS IN ANY WAY CAN BE EXTREMLY DANGEROUS IF NOT DONE PROPERLY ! !
now having shouted that let me add that it is also possible to improve a vehicles handling characteristics by modification IF it is done PROPERLY. that means read some books on the subject and learn how this shit really works. don't just go by pictures you see in magazines.





(BTW uncl, i'm not slammin' you. but there are a lot of young guys and folks that aren't really mechanicly minded that need to learn there is more to this hobby than bling-bling. )

[papastype1]

Thanks for that Yardstore site. Great stuff.

[aircoolednewf]

I sold a super - t a few months ago, it was simalar to the first pic, kinda a mix of a buggy and a rod t bucket type of thing. it was verry cool. i will try to find the pics and post them. I got a 57 pontiac wagon and two scooters for it. I solt the wagon also.

[dez]

i cant beleeeeve anyone would think all types of suspension are similar in performance. the leaf spring is stone age to say the least, and is only really any good for carrying big loads. compared to the macpherson strut, torsion bar, or coilover oil, or wishbone systems it is absolutely crap.

as i said before, im not slagging of his work as its done to a very high standard, its the concept and design i dont like.

as for price, theres no reason why he couldnt have built a traditional stylr front engine rear wheel drive rod for exactly the same price, as its very easy to pick up a v8, autobox, prop and rear axle for the same price as the vw stuff hes used.

[quote]About the only parts on the whole car that are VW are the engine,trans,and steering box.The front axle and spindles are Ford.Tthe rad shell,front and rear springs,and body are reproduction Ford.Everything else is handmade.

my point exactly. why have a rad shell? it doesnt do anything!!! the springs and suspension are a downgrade on the vw system (not independent, not as compliant, not as progressive)

[Dutch VeeRod]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif Why not a Rad Shell? When you start modifying a car: when or where do you stop? In my opinion there is no end or stop. It all depents what the man wants to create. Why does it have to look like a beetle? I like people that create something new. If i like the cars they create is not depending on how many vw parts they used. Is a flat black beetle that is lowered, chopped and what ever can be done to the body and mounted with a watercooler, porsche gearbox and brakes and coil-overs a VolksRod? I think yes..............or not................does it matter?????????? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif Thank god not everybody has the same idees or thoughts. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif

[crack monkey]

ah.... i think if it has a fist full of attitude and some vw parts... its a volksrod.

[Roadster Cliff]

If somone,like Cliff, cant afford a high dollar rod then they make do with a vw powered custom


I hate to spring it on you but the Hiboy wasn't any cheaper than going with a '32 Ford Hiboy. I could have bought a crate 350/350 engine and trans for what the 2276 and transaxle cost. The upholstry was the same deal as was the body work, paint chrome, tires and wheels. I built this car to show that anything is possible to do, even building a hotrod out of the lowly VW bug. Even so, some people HATE the car and wonder why I wasted so much money and time on it. To each his own.

Roadster Cliff

[type3rod]

My bad Cliff!!! I thought in an earlier post thats what you said,guess I was wrong. I would have thought that just getting a 32 ford body alone would be a bit pricey thats all. Still a sweet ass car non the less! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[type3rod]

This is why I said that a vw would be less pricy.32 ford highboy on e-bay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2452268911&category=6057)

[bugnut]

I guess Bruce Myers and Barry were all wet. They only sold like hot cakes and didn't look a damn thing like a beatle. Good thing they didn't have to sell the thousands of bodies they built and the thousands of other copies in England. And just think they were built of that hated fiberglas. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif

[lilbill]

Originally posted by bugnut@Jan 10 2004, 06:54 PM
I guess Bruce Myers and Barry were all wet. They only sold like hot cakes and didn't look a damn thing like a beatle. Good thing they didn't have to sell the thousands of bodies they built and the thousands of other copies in England. And just think they were built of that hated fiberglas. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif
did i miss something ? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[Dr.Freakinstien]

Bling Bling looks good on paper but comes last in the shop.Make it right....then bling it.Words of wisdom you will appreciate later...trust.A V-rod is primarily volkswagen tech mixed and mingled with personality and taste of the owner or builder.If when you are through with your car you are happy and it is safe you done a fine job.If you didn't fix it before you can't.Many others on the highways and byways with all kinds of opinions and as the old proverb says "they are like ass-holes and some of them do stink"........Somebody needs to wash their opinion.You opinion-hole,kiss my opinion,she told me to stick it in her opinion,ahh stick it up your opinion.....oh sorry,I'm ramblin' again.I'm a ramblin' man and I've made a lotta stops all over the world.

[Jon]

Why are you guys treating "bling bling" like a real word ? Its just the phrase of the week by the lower class trash in the society. There is no attention span among them so this phrase will go away with in the year. Don't encourage it. By legitimizing that kinda shit only keeps them in the roles they are in becuase they think its the norm.

As far as the suspension and defining the Volks Rod thing. I think its just gotta have style and certain level of aggression to the look. I don't like the wishbone or leafspring suspensions on the fenderless rods that much. I think they look to wide especially on the So-Cal one.

The thing I don't like is when someone pays others to do the work and talk about it as if they built it. Instead of I had it built by .....
I figure do all that you can at least. If you can't do somethings then don't take credit for it. I hate reading that in articles about how the car was shipped back and forth from this shop to that one ..... sure they are nice cars but I am not impressed with owner at all. Anyone can pay to have something done but not everyone can do it themselves. Thats the one thing I think most of have it common. We just all have differnet influences styles ....... thats what its all about right ? if we were all the same in here then we really could be any different then all the other styles of VW people out there. It's late what the hell am I writing ... :sleeping:

[works2hard4u]

To Jon: You are correct, sir! I'm sick of the influence ghetto-talk and "style" have on decent morals and values these days. Why is it "cool" to be illiterate? And I for one don't want to see some jerk's underwear hanging out of the top of his pants with the crotch flapping around at the knees.

To Roadster Cliff: Your car is fantastic and it is of the build quality I would attempt. But you DO infer on your web site that it was much less than building a "traditional" street rod. So how much did it actually cost? I was going to build a Poliform Track-style "T" originally, with a budget of about $20,000, when I found your site. What do you project the real costs to be with a VW Highboy, especially taking into acount the rapid rise of the price of your kit? (I've watched posts on the price go from $995 to $1395 to $1995). Nevertheless, I still want a VW based rod with a coil-over tube axle front end. And if you get tired of people hating yours, you can ship it here to Florida where it will be appreciated for what it is!

[Bobnotch]

That's what I love about this site, everybody seems to be doing their own thing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif I mean we have Cliff's Highboy, which is setting new bench marks for it's outstanding build quality style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif . Walt's T which is one of those older Volksrods, that are no longer being produced. Tobias's truck and bug taking new directions for us all, Steve's panty buncher, shows what can be done with an old baja, and of course we have Nick with his runt rod, doing what seems to be impossible. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif Then of course we have those of us who are a completely different type, building and modifying type3s. I think if its powered by a VW or using a VW body, its a Volksrod. It doesn't matter what it has for a body, as we have buses, bugs, ghias, type3s, and everything in between here. If you look thru the intros, you'll see most of us build, rather than buy stuff for our rides, and to me that is what is really important. Just a thought. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smilespin.gif

Now ducking for cover.

[Dr.Freakinstien]

yeah,true dat ,biatch,ya'mean?Bling bling from Diz-oc Friz-eakinstienizzle to du dizzle my pizzle.An' a shout out to my peeps keepin' it real,dawg.Yo' yo' wit du twenty fo' in du sho' ain't slo' much mo' fo' du go bro'.......I meant you are correct.May you have many appropriate items of good taste to your benifit.Hello, to my friends and if you prefer the rims of larger persuasion,they are avalible for your cruising pleasure....Or....We got sum shiney stuff we can spray on dim rims an' bumpers if'n you want.Howdy maw an' paw,.....uh I bleve dim is tratur tars on dat bolkswagun 'cause they gotta be 'least 24 einches 'round but,would look good on unkle Eugene's "john" boat tralur,wuttin' they?.....Life is about God,his son, family and having fun. I personally laugh at and with many cultures and all have pros and cons.My religon doesn't allow me to sleep with every fine woman out there nor does my personal covictions and comittments to my family but ,I ain't gonna catch no diseases and I got reservations to a really nice place after this thing called life is over.I have never treated any form of Ebonics as real or appropriate langage in an other context exept(an X twice in one sentence...kewl{I don't like it when people spell cool that way}) humorous and to lighten the mood of a situation as I an as white,southern,country,and educated (none of which make me better than anybody,just different than some)as most will ever get,and really don't give a rats arse what when and where it is appropriate.I enjoy every day as much as the next keeping in mind I owe it all to God ,my family good health and sevre mental issues that cause me to ramble on endlessly on occasions with little regard to spelling and or if you want to hear this or not,so with that said,I made some of my ride and paid to other stuff done to it I didn't trust my skills to do.I have improvised and created when and where I chose without consern to wjat other perseved as "right or wrong"(like cousins gettin' it on,I just don't care it doesn't pertain to me) although my wife is my 6th cousin....what?!?and besiders we are all kin anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif I ain't thru yet,set down and shut up,afo' du Doc biatch slapisses yo' ass.You only get one life live it to the fullest and don't get caught up in what the neighbors are doing,Love and respect Jesus,your family,yourself,giving each their due and by all means say 'sup dawg at least 3 times a week and get a real kick out of it every time,....why? 'cause it's funny.Breakin' the rules 'cause they don't apply to me....Mine truely ,Dr.Freakinstien.......In du house,...."County-siiide" USA,USA,USA,USA.Wow.......sorry ya'll ....did it again.Oh yeah,I got 96 tears and 96 eyes with a garbage brain that's driven me insane.'Cause I'm a human fly and I don't know why.

[type3rod]

Originally posted by Roadster Cliff@Jan 10 2004, 05:14 PM
If somone,like Cliff, cant afford a high dollar rod then they make do with a vw powered custom


I hate to spring it on you but the Hiboy wasn't any cheaper than going with a '32 Ford Hiboy. I could have bought a crate 350/350 engine and trans for what the 2276 and transaxle cost. The upholstry was the same deal as was the body work, paint chrome, tires and wheels. I built this car to show that anything is possible to do, even building a hotrod out of the lowly VW bug. Even so, some people HATE the car and wonder why I wasted so much money and time on it. To each his own.

Roadster Cliff
Like i said I thought i saw you say it would have been cheaper...............Hi, I'm Cliff Lasater, one of the oldest guys on this forum (54) I'm not really a vw guy, this is only the third one I have ever owned. This car is NOT a rat rod. I'm building this car as an alternative to the typical street roadster. Not that I have anything against them, I would also love to have a $55,000 highboy, I just don't have the cash.

[Dutch VeeRod]

Funny how this threat is changed style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif

[Dr.Freakinstien]

I like volksrods of all kinds and the first one like Walt's is really cool.:D

[walt]

Originally posted by dez@Jan 10 2004, 11:29 AM



why have a rad shell? it doesnt do anything!!!
That's funny my radiator shell holds 9 1/2 gallons of gas. So I guess you could say it has a purpose.

You know dez they do have forums especialy for purists like you. If you take your head out of your ass long enough you might find one and feel right at home.

I don't feel too good....... I'm going to go lay down now.

[Bobnotch]

Walt, the updated pics look better than when your car was in Hot VW's. :D I really like the blower sticking out of the bed cover. I bet that makes some sweet sounds when the top is down. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif

[Dr.Freakinstien]

yeah,the flames are a welcomed touch.Look right on. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Steve]

http://volksrods.com/forums/uploads/post-2-1074028560.jpg

Walt, your car still gives me WOOD whenever I see it. Especially with the DLI
sticking up through the rear.

And if a big ole polished up, bored, BLOWN motor sitting BEHIND the seats doesn't
scream "VW"... I don't know what would.

So, some of these volksrods out here have some "FORD" script on em... So what?
If they're using Ford parts... well...
And if someone can't tell whether or not a certain car is based on a VW and/or
fooled into thinking one is an original Ford T-bucket... then I wouldn't consider
them much of a "rodder".

That's like saying I shouldn't put '57 Caddy hubcaps on my '54 Merc, because I'd
be trying to pretend my car is a Cadillac instead of a Mercury...

Someone teach me the RULES of hot rodding...

[vwfanatic]

remember ....everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how stupid it is :rolleyes:

[crack monkey]

hey walt you missed a spot style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif

[type3rod]

Originally posted by walt+Jan 11 2004, 08:24 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(walt @ Jan 11 2004, 08:24 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-dez@Jan 10 2004, 11:29 AM



why have a rad shell? it doesnt do anything!!!
That's funny my radiator shell holds 9 1/2 gallons of gas. So I guess you could say it has a purpose.

You know dez they do have forums especialy for purists like you. If you take your head out of your ass long enough you might find one and feel right at home.

I don't feel too good....... I'm going to go lay down now. [/b][/quote]
Whats up with the production or amount of those buckets are left??? I want one of those retarded glass bodeis that is not considered a v-rod!!!!!!!!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[gowjobs]

Like I said, Kit Car Magazine used to list a VX-23 kit under Total Performances product line that was quite a bit like Walt's. Of course, there may be some unbuilt or restorable Brizio VolksRods that are around somewhere...

As for the tube/beam axle vs. torsion front axle, the main reason to convert the front suspension is looks - the VW beam, no matter how hardy the design, looks like crap compared to the simplicity of a dropped axle with some nicely-shaped radius rods. Of course, that's just my opinion.

That VW front beam dates back to pre-war designs as well... not much different from the suspension seen on the Auto Union cars of the '30s.

[walt]

Originally posted by Bobnotch@Jan 11 2004, 09:04 PM
. I bet that makes some sweet sounds when the top is down. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif
I wish that I could give each one of you guys a ride..... With the top down the blower whine is toooo much. It's hard to take your foot out of it. You just want more. Kinda like sex huh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by walt@Jan 12 2004, 10:26 AM
Kinda like sex huh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif
Better!!! :P

[bugnut]

Now I guess everyone knows where I was going with the comments on the Meyers Manx types. They didn't look a damn thing like a VW, But screamed VW anyway.Sorry for loosing you lilbil. P.S. I style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif straight axels and leaf springs. A Arizona Out Law wing sprint can pull 2 G's on the skid pad with one of those OLD FASHIONED BUGGY springs.

[gowjobs]

The C4 'Vette was still utilizing those outdated buggy-springs...

[dez]

walt, i cant even be arsed to argue with u about why i dont like your car, but i dont think its really necessary to lower yourself to base insults if someone says something you dont like. if i did that id get the shit kicked out of me twice a day.

[Roadster Cliff]

This forum is begining to sound like HAMB.................too bad, it was really great


Cliff

[gowjobs]

One thread doth not a forum make, Cliff.

[vwfanatic]

walt - dont take it so hard.....he said himself that at least twice a day, he makes a complete ass out of himself, so consider the source. The rest of us love you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

cliff - i hope it takes more than this to make you turn and run style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif

[type3rod]

Yea Walt,some people dont know kick ass cars if they hit them at 120mph!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif By the way, do you know if them kit cars are gonna come back in production or how many are left????

[walt]

Originally posted by dez@Jan 12 2004, 11:35 AM
walt, i cant even be arsed to argue with u about why i dont like your car, but i dont think its really necessary to lower yourself to base insults if someone says something you dont like. if i did that id get the shit kicked out of me twice a day.
I would have guessed four times a day minimum.

[walt]

Originally posted by type3rod@Jan 12 2004, 12:19 PM
Yea Walt,some people dont know kick ass cars if they hit them at 120mph!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif By the way, do you know if them kit cars are gonna come back in production or how many are left????
I really don't know how many are still around but every time I find one I try to keep track of it. I've been driving my car now for about three years and have only seen about six total including E-bay cars. I have talked to Speedway Motors about starting up their kit again but they said they won't. They claim they only sold about 30 kits from the time they bought it from Fuller in the 70's to the early 90's when they dropped the kit from their line.

I will build them but they will be more expensive than most people will pay. I am also very interested in building other VW powered Street Rods. I have a couple that I would really like to build.

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by gowjobs@Jan 12 2004, 10:22 AM
Like I said, Kit Car Magazine used to list a VX-23 kit under Total Performances product line that was quite a bit like Walt's.
this bothered me, so i just got off the phone with TP and they assure me that they have NEVER marketed a VW t-bucket kit or any other VW based kit. They knew of Andy Brizio's kit but They have never done such a kit. I'd love to see that ad, maybe it was a company with a similar name. Can you see if you can find the ad.....i'm really curious.

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by walt+Jan 12 2004, 03:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(walt @ Jan 12 2004, 03:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-type3rod@Jan 12 2004, 12:19 PM
Yea Walt,some people dont know kick ass cars if they hit them at 120mph!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif By the way, do you know if them kit cars are gonna come back in production or how many are left????
I really don't know how many are still around but every time I find one I try to keep track of it. I've been driving my car now for about three years and have only seen about six total including E-bay cars. I have talked to Speedway Motors about starting up their kit again but they said they won't. They claim they only sold about 30 kits from the time they bought it from Fuller in the 70's to the early 90's when they dropped the kit from their line.

I will build them but they will be more expensive than most people will pay. I am also very interested in building other VW powered Street Rods. I have a couple that I would really like to build. [/b][/quote]
walt - I realize that the frame of your car is a pretty impressive creature, and I could see it adding considerably to the cost of the kit/car. Do you thing it would be possible/feasable/sensable to build a chassis that would be more like a standard t-bucket to help keep cost down?

[Dr.Freakinstien]

Ahhh, come on, a little salsa every once in a while helps keep the colon clean. :D

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>this bothered me, so i just got off the phone with TP and they assure me that they have NEVER marketed a VW t-bucket kit or any other VW based kit. They knew of Andy Brizio's kit but They have never done such a kit. I'd love to see that ad, maybe it was a company with a similar name. Can you see if you can find the ad.....i'm really curious. [/b][/quote]

I'll look in old issues. I found the kit listed in with TP's Pro Street T, T-bucket and Model A coupe kits in the annual Kit Car buyers' guide issue. I think my buddy has a newer one sitting in his garage, I'll check his.

Dave

[vwfanatic]

thanx dave - should be interesting

dan

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>bzzzzzzzz-wrong
not all springs (or methods of springing) are created equal. besides "stiffness" there is "rate". also some springs will actually release more energy than is applied to them. also different methods of suspending a chassis on it's wheels contribute to the handling characteristics of the vehicle.
[/b][/quote]

Bullshit.

In bump,the tires react acording to the spring rate at the wheel,
and the stiffness of the shock. Period.
How does the tire know what kind of spring you have ? It doesn't.

In roll,roll couple distribution,weight distribution,center of gravity,roll centers,instantaneous center,camber curve,bump steer,
initial alignment,and tire selection enter into the equation.

The tires can't tell if your running push rods,pull rods,rocker arms, coil overs,
Mcphearson struts,transverse leaf,parallel leaf,quarter eliptic,semi eliptic,three quarter eliptic,full eliptic leaf springs,or air bags.
The tires can't tell if your progressive wheel rate is the result of progressively wound coils,helper leafs,or some rising rate geometric linkage.

Many design decisions for production cars are based on packaging,and cost,
rather than on absolute performance.
Ford used transverse leafs because it was cheaper than parallel leafs.They used springs with a high arch to get enough suspension travel for the rough roads of the period.Opel,among others,used transverse leafs on their IFS in the '70s.
Corvette still uses a transverse rear leaf on their IRS.
Leaf springs can be made to give a progressive rate,which makes them popular for trucks.The more the spring is loaded,the stiffer it gets.
Mcphearson(sp) struts have become popular,not because they are a superior design,but becasue the are cheaper to make and cheaper to assemble.
I'm guessing VW choose torsion bars for the same reason they are still used on present day Sprint Cars. Light weight. If you could put signifigantly stiffer torsion bars in a Beetle,it would ride like a truck.
Indy and F1 cars went to rocker arm suspension because of improved aerodynamics in the early '70s.Then swithched to pull rods in the early '80's.Then push rods in the mid '80s.Aside from the increased aerodyamic loads,the wheel rates stayed the same.If everything else stays the same,there is no handling improvement.Speeds increased due to increased aerodynamic downforce,better tires,and increased HP.
Dirt bikes went to Monoshock rear suspension to get more suspension travel without running larger,heavier,shocks. Longer suspension travel allows them to use softer wheel rates,which improves the performance by keeping the tires on the ground longer.The actual spring rates are much higher.Leaf springs were used on the front suspension of some bikes before the War.Low cost and ease of manufacture made this a good choice at the time.

The transverse leaf spring is a design element of a prewar Ford Hotrod/Streetrod/Ratrod/whateveryouwanttocallit.
And the Model T rear spring,with it's huge arch,is the most distinctive.
Using a T spring on the back unifies the design,front to rear.
If the builder was interested in absolute performance,he would have made different choices.

Since it's obviouly not stock,I think the light weight minimalist design and traditional design feartures make it a Hotrod.

If you don't like it,don't build one.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>also some springs will actually release more energy than is applied to them. [/b][/quote]
Where does this extra energy come from?
From you High School Physics class you may remember
the Law of Conservation of Energy;which says this is not true.
"Energy can not be created or destroyed,only transformed."
If someone has some Magic Springs that will release more energy than is applied,that would be the key to a perpetual motion machine. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[vwfanatic]

the talk about an alternative to the ford grillshell. how about a french renault style like this?

[lilbill]

Originally posted by Unkl Ian@Jan 12 2004, 01:27 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>bzzzzzzzz-wrong
not all springs (or methods of springing) are created equal. besides "stiffness" there is "rate". also some springs will actually release more energy than is applied to them. also different methods of suspending a chassis on it's wheels contribute to the handling characteristics of the vehicle.


Bullshit.

If you don't like it,don't build one.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>also some springs will actually release more energy than is applied to them. [/b][/quote]
Where does this extra energy come from?
From you High School Physics class you may remember
the Law of Conservation of Energy;which says this is not true.
"Energy can not be created or destroyed,only transformed."
If someone has some Magic Springs that will release more energy than is applied,that would be the key to a perpetual motion machine. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif [/b][/quote]
hey unk, not sure where you started going with your argument but you did a great job of explaining why all springs and suspension designs are not created equal style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif :P

i didn't say i didn't like it. i think it looks cool as hell. i was just trying to caution any jetsters out there about scratch building a suspension based on looks alone.

and yes, there is a law of physics pertaining to a phenomonon of some springs to release more energy than is applied to them and as a matter of fact has been the basis of many attempts to build a perpetual motion machine. (none were ever succesful)

how come you had to go all pissy on me ? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[walt]

Originally posted by vwfanatic+Jan 12 2004, 12:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vwfanatic @ Jan 12 2004, 12:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-gowjobs@Jan 12 2004, 10:22 AM
Like I said, Kit Car Magazine used to list a VX-23 kit under Total Performances product line that was quite a bit like Walt's.
this bothered me, so i just got off the phone with TP and they assure me that they have NEVER marketed a VW t-bucket kit or any other VW based kit. They knew of Andy Brizio's kit but They have never done such a kit. I'd love to see that ad, maybe it was a company with a similar name. Can you see if you can find the ad.....i'm really curious. [/b][/quote]
It was not Total Performance it was Speedway Motors that had the VT 23 kit.
Speedway bought the kit from Fuller.Fuller was the Grandfather of the Volks-Rod. Andy Brizio Copied Fullers Kit with a few changes.

The only thing different between a V-Rod and a Front engine T bucket, body wise, is the longer bed to cover the motor and the addition of the hood. the bed can be easily made by sectioning two 20" beds together. The hood can either be fabed from scratch or you can even use a stock repo. Model T hood.

[lilbill]

hey walt, i can remember seeing an article on a vw based t-bucket back in the 70s or 80s but it seems to me it was a metal bodied one-off ? ring any bells? could it have been about brizio ?

[walt]

Originally posted by lilbill@Jan 12 2004, 04:47 PM
hey walt, i can remember seeing an article on a vw based t-bucket back in the 70s or 80s but it seems to me it was a metal bodied one-off ? ring any bells? could it have been about brizio ?
There have been a few hand built one off V-rods built but I don't know of any with a steel body. Brizio almost always worked with glass bodies. That's where he came up with the (Andys Instant T) Title.

I've been collecting old Rod & Custom Magazines from the 60's and 70's and there were a few really cool one off V-Rods featured but all were Glass cars.

[lilbill]

i'm pretty sure this one was steel. i remember it as fenderless and bronze in color. it was also the cover car but i'll be damned if i can remember exactly when/where i saw it but i know i was pretty young and custom vw's were still rare so it was probably late 60s-early 70s.

[Nick]

Maybe it was a real T bucket modified with VW setup?

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>there is a law of physics pertaining to a phenomonon of some springs to release more energy than is applied to them[/b][/quote]

What is the proper name of this phenomonon ?
This must be documemted somewhere. I would like to read more about it.


There is no mention of this in any of my Engineering and Design texts,
or any of my books on chassis and suspension,including:
Tune to Win,
Prepare to Win,
Engineer to Win,all by Carrol Smith.
Racecar Engineering and Mechanics,by Paul Van Valkenburg.
Chassis Engineering,by Herb Adams.
How to Make Your Car Handle,by Fred Phun.
Advanced Racecar Suspension Development,
and several other titles by Steve Smith.

[crack monkey]

you didnt read: spool it up: the more you bounce by tigger?

[lilbill]

Originally posted by Unkl Ian@Jan 12 2004, 07:44 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>there is a law of physics pertaining to a phenomonon of some springs to release more energy than is applied to them

What is the proper name of this phenomonon ?
This must be documemted somewhere. I would like to read more about it.


There is no mention of this in any of my Engineering and Design texts,
or any of my books on chassis and suspension,including:
Tune to Win,
Prepare to Win,
Engineer to Win,all by Carrol Smith.
Racecar Engineering and Mechanics,by Paul Van Valkenburg.
Chassis Engineering,by Herb Adams.
How to Make Your Car Handle,by Fred Phun.
Advanced Racecar Suspension Development,
and several other titles by Steve Smith. [/b][/quote]
i don't know the exact name but it deals with overunity. years ago i was involved with a fabrication company that got a contract to build a spring driven overunity machine. one of the engineers tried to explain the theory to me but it sounded greek. i do remember though that it was all based on this
more energy out than in thing that is peculiar to some springs.

sounds like you have a good reference library there
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you didnt read: spool it up: the more you bounce by tigger? [/b][/quote]

Damn,I knew I forgot something.
Can I borrow your copy? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smilespin.gif

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by walt+Jan 12 2004, 07:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(walt @ Jan 12 2004, 07:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by vwfanatic@Jan 12 2004, 12:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gowjobs@Jan 12 2004, 10:22 AM
Like I said, Kit Car Magazine used to list a VX-23 kit under Total Performances product line that was quite a bit like Walt's.
this bothered me, so i just got off the phone with TP and they assure me that they have NEVER marketed a VW t-bucket kit or any other VW based kit. They knew of Andy Brizio's kit but They have never done such a kit. I'd love to see that ad, maybe it was a company with a similar name. Can you see if you can find the ad.....i'm really curious.
It was not Total Performance it was Speedway Motors that had the VT 23 kit.
Speedway bought the kit from Fuller.Fuller was the Grandfather of the Volks-Rod. Andy Brizio Copied Fullers Kit with a few changes.

The only thing different between a V-Rod and a Front engine T bucket, body wise, is the longer bed to cover the motor and the addition of the hood. the bed can be easily made by sectioning two 20" beds together. The hood can either be fabed from scratch or you can even use a stock repo. Model T hood. [/b][/quote]
walt - thanx for clearing that up. So speedway wont make any of those kits. has anyone tried to get them to part with the plans..or rights or anything related to the kit.....probably just better building it from scratch.......hmmmmm....wonder what jimw is doing this weekend. :rolleyes:

[lilbill]

i wonder what a person could build using a berry mini-t tub ? there are still some of those floating around.

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i wonder what a person could build using a berry mini-t tub ? there are still some of those floating around.[/b][/quote]
With a Moon Tank in the back, a skull hood ornament on a "radiator shell" filled with cabinet knobs, and some Tiajuana tuck-n-roll, you could have a pretty nice ride. I'd go for some tall, skinny 16" WWW motorcycle tires up front on ford spokes with 15" spokes or solids in the rear with slightly wider and a whole lot taller tires in place.

Run Industrial green tin on the engine with black and red accents. Top a pair of Kadrons with vintage carb scoops painted red inside. The exhaust should be four straight slash-cut pipes of small diameter painted white.

Paint the car in light gray primer with red oxide flames, or a dark gray primer iron cross on the nose.

Dave

[vwfanatic]

cut it out dave.....i'm drooling here, and i know where one of those bodies are sitting......no more projects, no more projects, no more projects style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yelling.gif

[gowjobs]

Oh yeah,

My apologies about the false alarm, but my brain still tells me that Kit Car listed the VX-23/VT-23 in with Total's stuff rather than Speedway's. Problem with my head is that there was a lot of LSD flowin through it in the early nineties...

"Insane in da' membrane..."

[vwfanatic]

no problem dave - the guy at TP just figgerd I was a little off.....but lately, I'm guessing he was right......actually he was pretty nice about it.

[type3rod]

Originally posted by vwfanatic@Jan 13 2004, 04:44 AM
has anyone tried to get them to part with the plans..or rights or anything related to the kit.....
Not to change the subject ,but I herd that a guy that lives in the US bought all the stuff to make the mexican beetles and said he was going to make 2000 of them every ten years and have them be "collectible edition". Anyone hear of such a thing??????

[gowjobs]

He could only produce 49 of them a year and keep from having to certify them if he's selling them for use on the road. Once you hit 50 cars a year, you are officially an auto manufacturer, and must have DOT certify everything. I can't see him selling 2000 a yera to people for use only on private property.

Dave

[vwfanatic]

but i could see 50 people a year buying them and changing the numbers to register them as whatever it takes to have a new beetle, just like they were doing before.

[walt]

Anybody out there got a 28 to 34 ford pick-up cab and bed? I would like to build one that's chopped channeled and sectioned about 2" off the ground with a mid engine 2 liter.
It would be fenderless and I'd paint it satin black with skinny wires on all four corners. It would be so low you would have to practically lay down in it to drive it. It would of course have a full hood and a chopped 32 style radiator shell.

Oh I forgot to add that the wheels would be brite green and the body would have brite green scallops.

[type3rod]

Originally posted by walt@Jan 13 2004, 10:50 AM
Anybody out there got a 28 to 34 ford pick-up cab and bed? I would like to build one that's chopped channeled and sectioned about 2" off the ground with a mid engine 2 liter.
It would be fenderless and I'd paint it satin black with skinny wires on all four corners. It would be so low you would have to practically lay down in it to drive it. It would of course have a full hood and a chopped 32 style radiator shell.

Oh I forgot to add that the wheels would be brite green and the body would have brite green scallops.
I would love to see that!!!!!!!!!!!! Any ps guys????

[vwfanatic]

sounds a lot like jimmy shine's truck with VW power.......dang I like it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody out there got a 28 to 34 ford pick-up cab and bed? [/b][/quote]

Try the HAMB Classifieds.

[walt]

Originally posted by vwfanatic@Jan 13 2004, 12:28 PM
sounds a lot like jimmy shine's truck with VW power.......dang I like it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif
Now if you can imagine no engine up front so there's a lot of room for your feet so you can chop and section the heck out of it. Talk about a lowrider..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[vwfanatic]

full reclining position.....kinda like sitting on a luge (sp) you know that olympic psyco mini bobsled thing

[gowjobs]

Hmmmm... I'm imagining a heavily sectioned/angle-chopped 'late thirties cab of indeterminate origin with some worn logos on the doors (even better if it looks like they said something different before the section... like a Mad Magazine fold-out)and a hand-formed aluminum bed wrapped around that Type4 motor. A nose made from two '40 Ford deluxe hoods with a straight axle protruding from the blisters on the sides would look really boss, and would give room to stash yer footies. Use 18" front spokes with 16's or 17's out back. Tall, skinny, blackwall bias-plies all around. Shifter should make you skin your knuckles on the inside of the roof.

Oh no! I'm forsaking the VW heritage! NOT!

C'mon... this thing is a hotrod first - it would just happen to be powered by a VW because it's a powerful, compact and low-profile powerplant that doesn't require anyone to think about how to plumb a radiator in...

PS: I've been considering building a truck a lot like this, but powered by a gas turbine from an aircraft Auxilliary Power Unit, and possibly driven through a hydraulic setup, if I can't step an auto tranny down far enough... would have to attach a reduction box before I could even think about using an automotive torque converter... Jetster would also dig this... I figured if I did the final rear drive with Gilmer belts, it could run... HUBLESS wheels! Yep... thinking about a Mad Max-style future rat rod here...

[fastmc25]

Hey guys,
I have been thinking of building one sort of "by scratch". Speedway motors sells "T" bucket frame kits . Frames can be cut off at the rear and a VW torsion assembly engineered in. Use the original body parts, front components and the Pickup bed or simular rear covering "slightly Modified" ( I use that loosely , LOL) to cover the engine. I really have thought about this alot. I grew up seeing the Vee-rods at shows in the "70's and am feeling old now as we talk about it. LOL

" Now .......... where did i put my prozac?"

[vwfanatic]

total performance's t bucket frame kit is only something like $250, but handy rodders could build their own.

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hey guys,
I have been thinking of building one sort of "by scratch". Speedway motors sells "T" bucket frame kits . Frames can be cut off at the rear and a VW torsion assembly engineered in. Use the original body parts, front components and the Pickup bed or simular rear covering "slightly Modified" ( I use that loosely , LOL) to cover the engine. I really have thought about this alot. I grew up seeing the Vee-rods at shows in the "70's and am feeling old now as we talk about it. LOL

" Now .......... where did i put my prozac?"
[/b][/quote]
You could go that route, and I've considered it for a fendered, higher-riding C-cab or something similar, but for a mean, low-down T, I think it's better to use radius rods and either coil-overs or the transverse spring like the rod that started this post (to really get massive clearance over the top of the tranny, use a Model A spring, which has even more arch than the Model T spring he was using) If you want it Rat-Rod slammed, flip the tranny upide-down (and flip the ring gear) so your swing axle trans has near-zero camber. Sandrails and Formula Vees have used this setup for ages, so it's gotta be do-able... just remember that the oil pan is hanging lower with it flipped, so skid plate it or be careful.

Seems to me that a standard "solid mount" girdle that wraps the bellhousing could be made to bolt up right behind the Z-ed section of the standard T-bucket chassis with some simple bracketry... then you'd need to fabricate a crossmember to mount the nosecone. The turtledeck trunk sections are usually quite a bit longer than the shortened pickup beds normally attached to T-buckets, and would cover a Type 3 or 4 with the fan down on the "front" of the engine.

Sandrail pedal assmblies would look trick and a hydraulic clutch would be easier to hook up... sandrail shifter mounts are also available in prefab form... just mount it to a simple crossmember made from 1x2.

If you want to skip running a hood, how about two polished moon tanks up front between the firewall and an empty radiator shell? If you want some weight up front to prevent wheelies, you could stash a small battery in/behind/under a filled grille shell - enough to fire the engine up... I doubt this thing will be running a huge sound system.

Okay... like I said, I've been thinking about doing one of these for YEARS!

[Unkl Ian]

Model A frame site (http://www.the-antidote.com/one/1chass01.htm)

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i don't know the exact name but it deals with overunity. years ago i was involved with a fabrication company that got a contract to build a spring driven overunity machine. one of the engineers tried to explain the theory to me but it sounded greek. i do remember though that it was all based on this
more energy out than in thing that is peculiar to some springs.
[/b][/quote]

I went and did a search for "overunity".
The majority had to do with electromagnetic fields,and potential energy.
The mathamatical "proof" only works if you assume NO parasitic losses,
like fricition,drag,electrical resistance,and inertia.

No mention was made of springs.

[type3rod]

With a little "modifications" this would look pretty sweet!link (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/index.mv?alert+200312291545274303)

[vwfanatic]

i know the guy that owns that.....nice guy.

[crack monkey]

a little like this walt.... i know it has fenders and no wires but you get the idea... just imaging your blower poking out the back style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[walt]

Originally posted by crack monkey@Jan 13 2004, 08:53 PM
a little like this walt.... i know it has fenders and no wires but you get the idea... just imaging your blower poking out the back style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif
Way Cool style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[type3rod]

Somone here needs to buy this and make it a v-rod!!click (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453874763&category=39405)

[vwfanatic]

i'd pass on that one....it looks like one of those shay style kits with all the fenders and aprons molded to the body. Too much of a pain to build a fenderless car and too hokey with the fenders....JMHO

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
i'd pass on that one....it looks like one of those shay style kits with all the fenders and aprons molded to the body. Too much of a pain to build a fenderless car and too hokey with the fenders....JMHO
type3rod Posted on Jan 14 2004, 07:52 AM
Somone here needs to buy this and make it a v-rod!!click
[/b][/quote]

For that kind of money, how about building one of these?
PoBoy Roadster (http://www.rodnrace.com/rnr/poboy.htm)
http://www.rodnrace.com/images/POBOY002.JPG

[vwfanatic]

dave - still out of my price range, but definately a real bargain style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[type3rod]

Originally posted by gowjobs@Jan 14 2004, 08:44 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
i'd pass on that one....it looks like one of those shay style kits with all the fenders and aprons molded to the body. Too much of a pain to build a fenderless car and too hokey with the fenders....JMHO 
type3rod Posted on Jan 14 2004, 07:52 AM
  Somone here needs to buy this and make it a v-rod!!click 


For that kind of money, how about building one of these?
PoBoy Roadster (http://www.rodnrace.com/rnr/poboy.htm)
http://www.rodnrace.com/images/POBOY002.JPG [/b][/quote]
How bout buying one of those bodies and throwing it on a modified bug pan???? I think it could work.

[gowjobs]

Since it already has a floor glassed in, I'd be more apt to weld a couple of sections of 2x3 steel from the torsion housing up to the lower beam or the front bulkhead mounts, cut out the pan sections and heater channels and just clearance the driveshaft tunnel so the VW tunnel would come through...

Either that or use their frame and change over to VW power.

Dave

[hotrodheb]

Picture it with Walt's supercharger sticking out of the front hood! (and the heads sticking out the sides!

I wish that I had 5G sitting around to get one of those! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How bout buying one of those bodies and throwing it on a modified bug pan????[/b][/quote]
That's a '32 body,the earlier bodies are not as tall.The cockpit is also a little larger.

And check the amount of body overhang on the back,
if your planning on a rear engine..
There might not be enough to cover the motor completely,
without setting the body back releative to the rear wheels.

I think a '27T,with a Turtle deck,sectioned on a rake
wih an old style Sprint Car nose would be Kick Ass!
Especially if the motor was in front,with the heads sticking out the sides
like the USAC Midgets used to run in the early '70s.

[crack monkey]

Originally posted by type3rod@Jan 14 2004, 12:53 PM

How bout buying one of those bodies and throwing it on a modified bug pan???? I think it could work.
a while ago (prior to the 58 showing up) i was going to do something similar but with a total fiberglass shell.... but that project will have to wait a while.

[vwfanatic]

acmanny's car is a t bucket with turtle deck and a nose made from one of those god aweful 40 ford noses reworked. It's on a narrowed beetle pan, and i'd be hard pressed to call it a kit car, since he scratch built it about 30 years ago.

http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/rods/volksrod4.jpg

[gowjobs]

See, that looks pretty good, even with the stock-style VW suspension... I always thought somebody should do a similar car using an Austin Bantam body or a Fiat Topolino so the cooling tin/carb could stick up through the spare tire cutout.

Dave

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>... I always thought somebody should do a similar car using an Austin Bantam body [/b][/quote]

Funny you should mention that.
I've got an old Fiberglas '32 Bantam body that needs a new home.
It's a little rough,but the price is right.

[Nick]

Semi-topic related, FIat 500-ish front end:
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/fiat-frontend.jpg

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>... I always thought somebody should do a similar car using an Austin Bantam body



Funny you should mention that.
I've got an old Fiberglas '32 Bantam body that needs a new home.
It's a little rough,but the price is right. [/b][/quote]

Where are you located, Unc? I may end up with a new project to accompany my gasser...

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif :D

[hotrodheb]

Originally posted by Nick@Jan 14 2004, 12:05 PM
Semi-topic related, FIat 500-ish front end:
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/fiat-frontend.jpg
I wonder what the purists think of that! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/fingerclear.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yelling.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/fingerclear.gif

Needs to be slammed and chopped!

[walt]

The engine would be hanging way out there in a Bantom body. You would have to do a front engine with a power glide trans.

I have been working on designing a flat 8 cylinder VW motor. Some day I'm hoping to get enough cash together to actually build it. I will use VW barrels and two sets of cylinder heads but other than that everything else will be hand built.

[Nick]

A flat 8 VW engine has been built before using a couple of VW motors welded together. I never heard how it ran though. Probably easier to have 2 regular motors attached at the crank from the outside, like old multi-engined show cars/dragsters.

How many times has this thread changed topics style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by Nick@Jan 14 2004, 03:53 PM


How many times has this thread changed topics style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif
and what's YOUR favorite flavor of Ben & Jerry's????? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How many times has this thread changed topics  [/b][/quote]

But it's remained pretty interesting, overall.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The engine would be hanging way out there in a Bantom body. You would have to do a front engine with a power glide trans.[/b][/quote]
http://www.rodnrace.com/images/3432d.JPG

Hmmmm... with that in mind, I submit the following design:

Use the same setup as the Swedish trike builders: using a second dummy tranny sandwiched between the engine and "real" transaxle (flopped around mid-engine style) to move the axle centerline further back from the engine. Then, cover what was the cockpit of the Bantam body with a tonneau, and drive from a rear-mounted cockpit like a slingshot dragster. Of course, you'd end up removing the fenders from the Bantam body and glassing in filler panels so you could move the wheels up into what was the door area, but you'd end up with a very cool (if somewhat wheelie-prone) ride. Okay, this is my own perverse sense of coolness, but I've always wanted a digger for the street, no matter how little sense it makes from a comfort/safety standpoint.

Dave

[bugnut]

Why not use the Bantam body, with a front engine and the vw trans in the rear like the old Pontiac Tempest. It used a drive shaft to the trans. You could use a type 2 bell hausing with a bearing to support the drive shaft.

[Nick]

http://www.gassermadness.com/lostandfound/squires/
http://www.gassermadness.com/lostandfound/squires/hrm1.jpg

http://www.redlinemotorsportsintl.com/mode..._89roadster.htm (http://www.redlinemotorsportsintl.com/models_89roadster.htm)
http://www.redlinemotorsportsintl.com/roadster.jpg

How about making a pickup bed around the engine?

[gowjobs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>

How about making a pickup bed around the engine?[/b][/quote]

or this option:

[hotrodheb]

Originally posted by bugnut@Jan 14 2004, 02:28 PM
Why not use the Bantam body, with a front engine and the vw trans in the rear like the old Pontiac Tempest. It used a drive shaft to the trans. You could use a type 2 bell hausing with a bearing to support the drive shaft.
Something like this...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/94861.jpg

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/51126.jpg

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/49252.jpg

[Unkl Ian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Where are you located, Unc? I may end up with a new project to accompany my gasser...

[/b][/quote]

Mississauga Ontario Canada.
You can use airport code YYZ to find the approx. distance.

[PapaG]

I think one of the Porsches has a setup like that. Engine in front and Transaxle in the back. 924, 928 or 944?

[Nick]

probably not what you're thinking off style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/porsche-frontengined.jpg


Also possibilites of a dropped axle on a buggy-style body:
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/sand-draggin.jpg

[Unkl Ian]

I stole this off the Metalsahpers site:

[notched]

Originally posted by Nick@Jan 14 2004, 07:40 PM
Also possibilites of a dropped axle on a buggy-style body:
http://68.55.195.90/vw/sand-draggin.jpg
Damn, that rocks. Love the dually sand tires. I love the 60's and 70's.

[gowjobs]

And the thread won't die...

Here's something for you guys to think about in an eBay auction:
Corvair-powered T Phaeton model car (MPC?) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3170171781)

I'd drive one of these...with a german flat four out back.

[Nick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Here's something for you guys to think about in an eBay auction:
Corvair-powered T Phaeton model car (MPC?)
http://gtaylorcar.galaxyhit.com./4570a.JPG
[/b][/quote]

You mean like a Maxi Taxi buggy?
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/maxi1b.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/buggy-maxi-wheelie.jpg

[bugnut]

A few posts back, fastmc25 asked about scratch built roadster frames.

California Custom Roadsters has a plan set for $20.00 complete.
Set 1 Frame and attaching parts.
Set 2 Front end
Set 3 Mounting jag rear end.
Set 4 Mounting conventional rear end.
Set 5 Steering and motor mounts.

Whole set $20.00 Seperate plans $5.00 each $4.00 shipping

California Custom Roadsters
15094 Sierra Bonita Lane, Dept. RC, Chino, CA 91710

No Web Sight that I could find. Hope this helps. The basic frame and required mods
for the VW trans mounts,would require about $80.00 in materials. Plus welding.

[fastmc25]

Cool Bugnut !!!! I'll put that info in my future project folder.

I really think it can be built easily. Just getting the money for the bolt-ons will be a challenge. Alot of the finish pieces can get pricey ( if you want it Chromie ). :D

[bugnut]

Speedway motors sells really nice front ends and brake kits, both plain and chrome. Check them out. Great catalog and its free. www.speedwaymotors.com
Have fun.

[works2hard4u]

I've been talking to the guys at SoCal about their crossmember (hmmm......is a crossmember the same as an angry penis? Well, that's for another topic). They are working on one for a coil-over setup like Cliff's, as well as the leaf spring one they offer now. He was kind enough to supply me with the Speedway catalog #'s of all the pieces you would need to put together the front end:

<----In a message dated 1/17/04 10:12:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, mbmnsmith@earthlink.net writes:
Hal- We have under development a crossmember for a coil-over conversion but it won't be available until mid 2004. Please check back with us. Thanks for your interest in SoCaLook.
Marty

HalXXXX@aol.com wrote:
Thanks! That will be about the time I'm ready for it, anyway. On another note, can the present extender be used with a "leaf spring behind" axle set up?

PS: Do you have a list of all the street rod parts needed? Do you use VW KG disc brakes or Ford?Chevy? Do you use VW steering and if so how is that adapted? Sorry to ask if these issues are on your site, I just don't remember seeing them.

Thanks again,

Hal

Answers to your questions:
Yes you can mount the spring behind the axle but it is a T Bucket style of axle mounting. Check with Speedway motors and you will find parts for those kinds of axle placements.

Attached is a suggested list of parts.
I am using Ford drum brakes on the front- more for style than any other reason. The car only weighs 1450 so the 48 Ford juice brakes have no problem stopping the car. Any disk brake maker has kits for these spindles (Wilwood, Airheart,etc). Or check the hot rod magazines.
The stock VW steering box is used in it's original location.

SOCALOOK FRONT SUSPENSION COMPONENTS
(Speedway Motors Parts Numbers Provided) www.speedwaymotors.com

We are not endorsing Speedway Motors exclusively. However they have an excellent website for identifying the parts you will need and an excellent return policy. The parts to complete the SoCalook may be obtained from any source.

Note- The axle needs to be as wide as possible- as much as 48-50 Òwhen measured at the king pin centers. With this application the hairpin radius rods flare out as they follow the contours of the body- unlike typical hot rod applications where they narrow as they go back. This flare-out limits the turning diameter of the tires and a wider axle puts the tires out far enough that they donÕt rub the hairpins when turned lock to lock. Magnum, Super Bell and Chassis Engineering all manufacture axles.



I-BEAM AXLE 47.75Ó-7022860 Spring- 5802040

& Spring 48Ó- 7022850 Spring- 58020374 or 58020374L

50Ó-702-2870 Spring-

SPINDLES 91632104 Use 37-41 king pin kit

KING PINS 91032121

RADUS RODS 91635023 27Ó

Needs 4 Clevis (91002006) and 2 Heim Rod Ends( 91002006)

RADIUS ROD BRKTS 91035000

PANHARD ROD 91049801

SHACKLES 91033323

SHOCKS 582SM300 plain or chrome

SPRING PERCH 91033047 plain 28-34 FORD

LOWER SHOCK MOUNT 910-36105

STEERING ARMS 7022760 37-48 Ford

Must be straightened and spacers made to fit in upper position on spindle. Drilled to accept Heim rod ends.

TIE RODS 91632504-48 5/8 raw w/Clevis & Heim rod ends.

91632504-42.5 May need shortening to fit. Use a 5/8-18 tap

( #91281036-RH)----------->

[works2hard4u]

One more thing, I've been through Cliff' buildup photos, but can't find a picture or discussion as to how he mounted the radius rods to the pan. Cliff, if you're there, can you give us some insight and a photo? I don't like the way SoCal has them going through the body. And did you ever consider a 4-bar setup?

[Nick]

Used a donor VW beam, stock steering box too I think
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/bug-piranaha-front-suspension3.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/bug-piranaha-front-suspension8.jpg
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/bug-piranaha-front-suspension9.jpg

[vwfanatic]

Originally posted by works2hard4u@Jan 18 2004, 10:27 AM
One more thing, I've been through Cliff' buildup photos, but can't find a picture or discussion as to how he mounted the radius rods to the pan.
if i remember correctly, he fabbed a long reinforcement that fit along the side and had the mount attached. i remember pix, but just dont feel ambitious enough to look for them

[crack monkey]

your are right dan. he had one that was pretty short and then decided to make it longer (hhhmmmmm we will leave that alone) the piece fit into the chanel under the pan where the bolts go through to the body... correct me if i am wrong cliff.

[Nick]

Oh radius rods...

Mounts under the pans through the vert reinforcement rails thingy...I think
http://nick.runtrod.com/vw/Rods/bug-piranaha-front-suspension14.jpg

[works2hard4u]

Thanks guys! And from the look of it, the axle attachment "extension" is just a stock beam cut down (width?) with some plates welded to the sides with supports for the coil-over mounts. Lots cheaper than oCal's $800 for their extender. Now I need to research a panhard bar mount.

[works2hard4u]

I know most of you are well versed in setting up a traditional front end, but for those neophytes like me, I found this article to be immensly valuable:

http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/techar...135_0312_solid/ (http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/techarticles/135_0312_solid/)

[bugnut]

Thats a real good artical. The only problem I see with a 4 Bar is that the upper bar would have to go up into the body. They have to stay parallel and the ends need to be on the same vertical plane. Hope I said that so you can understand. I have used 4 Bars on several cars and they work good because the caster remains nearly constant. I think a pocket could be formed in the body for the upper bar.

[Nick]

Also a problem with hairpin radius bars with VWs is the front end track will be widened (if using dropepd axles) and the radius bars may limit the turning radius (tires rub against it, less lock-to-lock steering turn). Just something to consider if that's important??

[works2hard4u]

Originally posted by Nick@Jan 18 2004, 05:09 PM
Also a problem with hairpin radius bars with VWs is the front end track will be widened (if using dropepd axles) and the radius bars may limit the turning radius (tires rub against it, less lock-to-lock steering turn). Just something to consider if that's important??
How did Cliff resolve this issue?

[Roadster Cliff]

Works2Hard4U
The radius rods were atached to the1X2 pan stiffener. I don't think a 4 bar set-up will work. A 4 bar set needs to run horizontal to the street, I think. I can't see a way to get them horizontal without hacking into the body. The hairpin set-up works great. It drives fine on the freeway and city streets.

The turning radius is larger than stock. It is not from the radius rods or any clearance issue. It is due to the long steering arms that were required to clear the pitnam arm out of the stock steering box. It's a large turning radius but it's not a problem. Could I make a U-Turn on a 2-lane road...no. Is it a problem driving it around town on city streets or any type of driving...no.

Cliff

[works2hard4u]

Thanks, Cliff. Your input is always apperciated!

[bugnut]

If you take a look at the StinkBug you will notice that Fred used split stock Ford radius rods that enter the body. He added flexible seals around them. I bet he did that to prevent the wheels from hitting them in turns. Maybe Nick could help with a picture.

[Nick]

He doesn't want the radius bar going through the body though, I think, right works2hard4u? Anyways...yes I have picts of those too style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif
http://www.socalook.com/products/hairpin.JPG

Looks like you can buy them seperately
http://www.socalook.com/updatemay2003/editedpics/hairpin.jpg

http://www.socalook.com/underconstruction/inside%20HP%20brkt.jpg
http://www.socalook.com/underconstruction/outside%20HP%20brkt.jpg
http://www.socalook.com/underconstruction/Frnt%20End%20w%20axle_wheels.jpg

I don't se any grommets on there but shouldn't be hard to get something to act like grommet/bushings

[works2hard4u]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He doesn't want the radius bar going through the body though, I think, right works2hard4u? [/b][/quote]

Right. Cliff's treatment is much cleaner looking IMHO.

[bugnut]

I found it. This is the picture I was talking about.

http://photo.starblvd.net/bugnut/1-3-4-107...w=*7464400C5F52 (http://photo.starblvd.net/bugnut/1-3-4-1074674526?m=1&pg=0&ro=2&co=3&pw=*7464400C5F52)

[Nick]

Well back to the original topic, remember this buggy ...check out the front suspension...
http://68.55.195.90/vw/Rods/buggy-chassis.jpg

The rar pict, you can see the leaf suspension bracket setup thingy:
http://68.55.195.90/vw/Rods/buggy-chassis2.jpg

[walt]

Originally posted by Roadster Cliff@Jan 19 2004, 08:49 AM

The turning radius is larger than stock. It is not from the radius rods or any clearance issue. It is due to the long steering arms that were required to clear the pitnam arm out of the stock steering box. It's a large turning radius but it's not a problem. Could I make a U-Turn on a 2-lane road...no. Is it a problem driving it around town on city streets or any type of driving...no.

Cliff
If you lengthen the pitman arm on the steering box you will get a shorter turning radius back. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Roadster Cliff]

Walt
The pitman arm on my stock steering box is stock. The steering arms on my front spindles are long to clear the tie rod, thus a larger turning radius.

Hey Walt, how about bringing your rod down to the Goodguys Del Mar show on April 2-4??? I'll be there.

Cliff

[1slo3]

i think walt's car should be in the WOWs shows as well... of course, i am talking about the little briggs and stratton car! :D i wish i could afford that car, as i know i can't afford walt's yellow car. btw walt, i still haven't had opportunity to get under my pink car and measure for the ladder bars. but i will...

[walt]

Originally posted by Roadster Cliff@Feb 3 2004, 12:20 PM
Walt
The pitman arm on my stock steering box is stock. The steering arms on my front spindles are long to clear the tie rod, thus a larger turning radius.

Hey Walt, how about bringing your rod down to the Goodguys Del Mar show on April 2-4??? I'll be there.

Cliff
Hi Cliff
I figured the pitman arm on your box was stock that's why I mentioned lenghtening it to get a sharper turning radius. That's easy enough to do and I know you'd like the result. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

As far as Del Mar goes, that would be very cool but it's a long haul for a weekend.

[hotrodheb]

Originally posted by walt@Feb 3 2004, 06:37 PM
As far as Del Mar goes, that would be very cool but it's a long haul for a weekend.
Hey Walt, if you need a passenger to make the trip easier, make a stop in the San Jose area, and we can split the gas (and the driving! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif )

[69bajabuggin']

Originally posted by Nick@Feb 2 2004, 08:18 PM
Well back to the original topic, remember this buggy ...check out the front suspension...
http://68.55.195.90/vw/Rods/buggy-chassis.jpg

The rar pict, you can see the leaf suspension bracket setup thingy:
http://68.55.195.90/vw/Rods/buggy-chassis2.jpg
Nick,

I don't remember that buggy.... :(
Do you have any info on it? who made it, better pics, etc.
I'd like a better look at the frontend.


thx,
Mike
69Bajabuggin

[vwluvrs]

http://images3.fotki.com/v25/photos/9/9586/264845/Dsc08212-vi.jpg
<span style="color:blue">Heres a front end for you to consider......</span>

[gowjobs]

I love the parallel quarter-eliptic front ends, but that one might be a little more radical than I'd do... probably could tell better if I could see the whole car...

(hint, hint)

[vwluvrs]

http://images4.fotki.com/v42/photos/9/9586/457992/Dsc08211-vi.jpg

http://images4.fotki.com/v42/photos/9/9586/457992/Dsc08214-vi.jpg

[gowjobs]

Well, i dig the car, but I still think the front end might look better about three inches closer to the radiator. I think the best thing about the old modifieds is when they're set up so that it looks like the body/chassis just hovers in the middle of the suspension... kinda like a water strider or a daddy longlegs.