Cut-Weld-Drive Forums

Cut-Weld-Drive Forums (http://volksrods.com/forum/index.php)
-   The Tech Bin (http://volksrods.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=17)
-   -   Wheel adapters (http://volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7024)

McKustoms June 15th, 2005 05:37 PM

Did they make wheel adapters 5 on 5 1/2? Vw bug 5 lug to ford 5 1/2 bolt pattern?
Thanks!

Hapster June 15th, 2005 05:47 PM

no.






ask steve

Nick June 15th, 2005 05:49 PM

check the lazy thread, some info there. but as said, nothing made mass produced. You'll need to find someone to make one out of billet or something. More info on that thread

walt June 15th, 2005 07:23 PM

You can have a set of 4 for about $700 . I just worked up a quote so I know. If we could get about 20 sets ordered they would probably go down to about $400 per set.

Steve June 15th, 2005 07:41 PM

And then after you're done trying to find those, fail, and try to get blank drums drilled for em...




You'll also find that you can't find anyone to drill the FRONTS due to the webbing. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]



[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yelling.gif[/img]




[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

McKustoms June 15th, 2005 08:52 PM

Well that sucks! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif[/img] I just bought 4 oldscool smoothie rims with wide white wall tires. The guy said he could get the adapters to fit for 120.00. I think he don't know what he's talking about. And just wanted to sell me some rims and tires. We'll see what he comes up with.

So-cal Tex June 15th, 2005 09:27 PM

I got the rears drilled for 5-5.5 and the machine shop charged $40 for both and thats in Claifornia where every is twice what most people pay.

I would bring the machine shop one of those plastic lug nut rings( the one for checking the lug pattern of wheels) and show them where to drill. Sometimes people make alot of excuse for a job they percieve to be difficult??

ROGER LAWLESS June 15th, 2005 10:03 PM

I was quoted $125 for each one in San Jose, Ca. I thought that was a rip off. Now that sounds cheap compared to the $700 a set. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img]

I like the spacers because it will give you a wider stance with all early 16 & 17" Ford wheels while using early VW brake drums, disc's. If you get a flat, or whatever, you can still throw a stock VW rim on and keep going.

Where can you get that 5x5.5 plastic thing you were talking about? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif[/img]

I have a set of five early Ford wires, 17", and have just sandblasted them so I can get them powdercoated. My buddy races sprint cars and one of his best friends has a big machine shop down in Paso Robles, Ca. and he thinks the machinist can make them, adaptors, quite esily. Cost????? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif[/img]

Steve June 16th, 2005 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by So-cal Tex@Jun 15 2005, 10:27 PM
I got the rears drilled for 5-5.5 and the machine shop charged $40 for both and thats in Claifornia where every is twice what most people pay.

I would bring the machine shop one of those plastic lug nut rings( the one for checking the lug pattern of wheels) and show them where to drill. Sometimes people make alot of excuse for a job they percieve to be difficult??
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


You musta missed the "fronts" part. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

I've had no problem finding folks to do the rears... but the fronts are a different story. Even SoCal imports (who sells the blank drums and also re-drills them for customers) says they won't touch em.

You luck may vary. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]

PAPA_SMURF June 16th, 2005 05:54 AM

heres the quick fix to that problem. Run a ford axle in front. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img] I should be picking mine up friday night.

Hapster June 16th, 2005 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve+Jun 16 2005, 07:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Steve @ Jun 16 2005, 07:15 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-So-cal Tex@Jun 15 2005, 10:27 PM
I got the rears drilled for 5-5.5 and the machine shop charged $40 for both and thats in Claifornia where every is twice what most people pay.

I would bring the machine shop one of those plastic lug nut rings( the one for checking the lug pattern of wheels) and show them where to drill. Sometimes people make alot of excuse for a job they percieve to be difficult??
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


You musta missed the "fronts" part. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

I've had no problem finding folks to do the rears... but the fronts are a different story. Even SoCal imports (who sells the blank drums and also re-drills them for customers) says they won't touch em.

You luck may vary. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
[/b][/quote]

Steve-
I talked to Josh (I think he is the machinist- at least he knew what he was talking about) at So Cal imports and he quoted me a price for the fronts with a 5X5.5 and was told that there is no problem with that size pattern. 29.95 each for the blanks 60 to drill the pair 31.90 for the studs and 20 to press them in. Total of just under 200, I am just waiting for the money to order them.

dayzwalker June 16th, 2005 12:41 PM

it really does matter who you talk to over there...most of the hacks on the phone are just paper pushers. Demand that you talk to the resident machinist...they'll help you out Steve. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]



PS: I never could find my receipt for my wheel adapters, so I can't tell you who was able to custom make any bolt pattern under the sun....sorry [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]

Hapster June 16th, 2005 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dayzwalker@Jun 16 2005, 04:41 PM
it really does matter who you talk to over there...most of the hacks on the phone are just paper pushers. Demand that you talk to the resident machinist...they'll help you out Steve. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]



PS: I never could find my receipt for my wheel adapters, so I can't tell you who was able to custom make any bolt pattern under the sun....sorry [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

That's why I got his name! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Dancing.gif[/img] I once was quoted about 100 more by one of the girls who was on the counter [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img]

So-cal Tex June 16th, 2005 01:04 PM

The plastic lug pattern checker I have came from the Lug nut Kingz in LA. I think they have a website, if not they are at all the big swaps selling adapters, spacers and lug nuts.


I drilled the rears on my car and I am running the model A front axle so fronts were not an issue. When I had the machine shop drill the rear I had them install long studs 2 inch so I can use wheel spacers to push the wheel out.


I bet if you took the front drums to machine shop with the early ford pattern schetched out on the drum ( thats what I did) they would know how to do it. Maybe they turn some of the webing down before drilling???


A machine can do anything if really wanted too

walt June 16th, 2005 01:50 PM

One of the problem is that there is not enough thickness to the drum where the studs go to press in a stud and if you did get the stud in it could break out the drum. The only strength in the drum is at the reinforcing web but the way it is cast you are not able to take advantage of that. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img] But of coarse you have to realize that I'm kind of go overboard sometimes. I hate when a wheel falls off on the freeway. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

Steve June 16th, 2005 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hapster@Jun 16 2005, 01:37 PM
Steve-
I talked to Josh (I think he is the machinist- at least he knew what he was talking about) at So Cal imports and he quoted me a price for the fronts with a 5X5.5 and was told that there is no problem with that size pattern. 29.95 each for the blanks 60 to drill the pair 31.90 for the studs and 20 to press them in. Total of just under 200, I am just waiting for the money to order them.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


I shoulda clarified a bit...
There wasn't any problem with a balljoint front end... only with the linkpin type (which is what I have). I got another lead today (adapters) that I'm checking on... if it pans out I'll pass on the info. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Hapster June 16th, 2005 05:17 PM

I shoulda clarified a bit...
There wasn't any problem with a balljoint front end... only with the linkpin type (which is what I have).




[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img] Sh*t [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]

hotrodheb June 16th, 2005 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hapster@Jun 16 2005, 06:17 PM
I shoulda clarified a bit...
There wasn't any problem with a balljoint front end... only with the linkpin type (which is what I have).




[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img] Sh*t [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Umm Hapster, if that is your project in your avatar, you have a balljoint front end! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

If not....Nevermind! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

Hapster June 16th, 2005 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hotrodheb+Jun 16 2005, 09:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hotrodheb @ Jun 16 2005, 09:32 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Hapster@Jun 16 2005, 06:17 PM
I shoulda clarified a bit...
There wasn't any problem with a balljoint front end... only with the linkpin type (which is what I have).




[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img] Sh*t [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Umm Hapster, if that is your project in your avatar, you have a balljoint front end! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

If not....Nevermind! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
[/b][/quote]

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img] I was feeling Steve's pain! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

Steve June 16th, 2005 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hapster+Jun 16 2005, 08:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hapster @ Jun 16 2005, 08:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Quote:

Originally posted by hotrodheb@Jun 16 2005, 09:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hapster
Quote:

@Jun 16 2005, 06:17 PM
I shoulda clarified a bit...
There wasn't any problem with a balljoint front end... only with the linkpin type (which is what I have).




[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img] Sh*t [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


Umm Hapster, if that is your project in your avatar, you have a balljoint front end! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

If not....Nevermind! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img] I was feeling Steve's pain! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
[/b][/quote]

Oh you have no idea... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]


Lesson #239:
Figure this stuff out before you buy the wheels. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

The last lead sounds promising... it ain't dead yet! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Hapster June 16th, 2005 07:57 PM

I was lucky- good luck on your lead. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

one last idea. If you took the cheapest wide five disc set (not cheap) and had a machinist cut the tabs off and then tapped it for 1/2 X 20 lug bolts in the 5 X 5 1/2 pattern then you could use the same front end you have. I imagine it would be a nice looking front end. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

Then again the ford front end starts to look better and better!

ROGER LAWLESS June 16th, 2005 10:35 PM

Hey Daze, how about posting some pics of your adaptors so we will have an idea of how they should look. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] PUL LEASSSE!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif[/img]

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif[/img]

hotrodheb June 16th, 2005 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ROGER LAWLESS@Jun 16 2005, 11:35 PM
Hey Daze, how about posting some pics of your adaptors so we will have an idea of how they should look. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] PUL LEASSSE!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif[/img]

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stoned.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

I pulled these out of Justin's gallery...

Adaptors
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ladapters1.jpg

Rear drums
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/MVC-003F.jpg

grumpy June 21st, 2005 05:33 AM

Maybe this have been overlooked or just a bad idea. Why can't any ol adapter be purchased, say for a small ford or chevy patern, then cut off the studs. Then redrill for any pattern?

Input?

side note - I found a pair of slotted chevy car rims for the front, adapters and will have the rears redrilled for the big ford pattern. - I hope it all works out.

McKustoms June 21st, 2005 05:47 AM

So cal vw's said they can drill me a set of disc brakes for the front and drums for the rear in the 5 1/2 inch bolt pattern. Kind of spendy but I was going to convert the front to disc brakes and dropped spindels anyway.

grumpy June 21st, 2005 06:13 AM

How much for the drums, studs and labor, shipping = total for the rear? Who did you talk to?

carcentric June 21st, 2005 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy@Jun 21 2005, 05:33 AM
Maybe this have been overlooked or just a bad idea. Why can't any ol adapter be purchased, say for a small ford or chevy patern, then cut off the studs. Then redrill for any pattern?

Input?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

You'd lose a lot of strength that way (dissimilar metals problems, threaded "plugs").

If that was the only aluminum in the world, you should press out the studs, TIG those holes full, mill the mounting surface, and then drill the new holes.

McKustoms June 21st, 2005 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy@Jun 21 2005, 06:13 AM
How much for the drums, studs and labor, shipping = total for the rear? Who did you talk to?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Just talked to the first parts guy who answered. He said it would be ...
29.95 per drum
40.00 for studs pressed in
114.00 for drilling...ouch [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]
17.00 shipping
I might look into getting them drilled locally cheaper.

Hapster June 21st, 2005 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by McKustoms+Jun 21 2005, 06:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(McKustoms @ Jun 21 2005, 06:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-grumpy@Jun 21 2005, 06:13 AM
How much for the drums, studs and labor, shipping = total for the rear? Who did you talk to?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Just talked to the first parts guy who answered. He said it would be ...
29.95 per drum
40.00 for studs pressed in
114.00 for drilling...ouch [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]
17.00 shipping
I might look into getting them drilled locally cheaper.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
[/b][/quote]

Talk to Josh, the rears come to 186 and that included 25 dollars for shipping to Ohio.

29.95 blank, 60 dollars to drill the pair, 31.90 for 10 studs, 10 to press them in!
for some reason some of the people think the drill charge is different than the patterns already quoted in the book. (the studs pressed in is too much for something already set up)

grumpy June 22nd, 2005 11:00 AM

Ok, scored some chevy/ford adapters for the front buggy rims. The rims are unilug so I will need the washers but I am half way there on the front, and for $20 [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

MoeRaw June 22nd, 2005 11:02 AM

Is there a downside to running adapters?

vwfanatic June 22nd, 2005 11:31 AM

biggest downside is safety. adapters have been known to break.....will also increase tread width a little which can be an issue on fendered cars

grumpy June 22nd, 2005 11:44 AM

Life on the edge, thats just how I roll.

No worries of clerance on a buggy or fenderless [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

carcentric June 22nd, 2005 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vwfanatic@Jun 22 2005, 11:31 AM
biggest downside is safety. adapters have been known to break.....


I've never heard of a pair that were machined from 6061-T6 aluminum breaking - have you (or anybody else)?

AFAIK, it was the earlier cast adapters that were semi-fragile, just like cast wheels versus machined from billet.

BICBW . . . .

Steve June 22nd, 2005 04:50 PM

Ok... heard back from that last source I was waiting on...

They can do em... for $170 each... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]

And that's not happenin'...



My red wheels with the wide whites are looking better and better everyday. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]


[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/FreakinSmiley.gif[/img]

ConductorX June 27th, 2005 08:02 AM

I actually have a set of Wide Five to Ford adapters. I'll consider selling them.

Is this still a problem or am I too late?

Sorry I've been out sick....

grumpy June 27th, 2005 08:07 AM

truck or car pattern? i am down for 2, if someone wants to split 'em

Quote:

Originally posted by ConductorX@Jun 27 2005, 10:02 AM
I actually have a set of Wide Five to Ford adapters. I'll consider selling them.

Is this still a problem or am I too late?

Sorry I've been out sick....
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


rustrodder June 27th, 2005 10:25 PM

I have a pair of wide 5 vw to old ford 5 lug adapters,the crazy part is that i was at the scrap yard with my bug truck and found a set of nice 16" ford wires and they had adapters bolted to them, what luck huh?Anyway they are big adapters, cause you can't run wires unless you have adapters that will fill the back hub space and push up against the rear hub of the rims as ford wire rims will crack without the back support, so keep that in mind when looking.I can post a few pics of mine if anyone wan't to see them, and i also have about 3 sets of 16" ford wire rims if anyone wants to buy a set, as i build rods also, so i have old hotrod stuff as well.

grumpy June 28th, 2005 02:52 AM

Either rustrodder or ConductorX, let me know a price for a pair or the set. Hey ConductorX did you get a chance to measure the pattern? Hey rustrodder, they are for sure for a truck pattern, whats the bolt pattern size?

Steve June 28th, 2005 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy@Jun 28 2005, 03:52 AM
Either rustrodder or ConductorX, let me know a price for a pair or the set. Hey ConductorX did you get a chance to measure the pattern? Hey rustrodder, they are for sure for a truck pattern, whats the bolt pattern size?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


Yeah... if someone has a pair or set of these, I'd like to get in line as well.

As you might be able to tell from my post last month about this (click here) ... these things are nearly impossible to come across, and I've been beating my head against the wall.

I'd go in halves with Grumps. I'd like a full set, but I could make it by with just a pair for the front. The rears can be drilled.

McKustoms June 28th, 2005 03:45 AM

I'd be interested in the other 2 if you have 4. If Grumpy does'nt want the other 2 that is. If they are for the ford 5 1/2 pattern.

rustrodder June 28th, 2005 02:00 PM

yea mine are bolted on 35 ford wires which are the 5 1/2 bolt pattern, but they are not for sale, i just thought someone might like to see what they look like i will post a few pics real soon.

rustrodder June 28th, 2005 02:27 PM

here are 2 shots of the front and back.as you can see they are for wide 5 vw to 5 1/2 ford.they have the deep holes for the vw lug nuts so they are sunk down in.Nice design and they are 1 1/2" wide.They were cut from solid steel so they are super strong but heavy.

rustrodder June 28th, 2005 02:31 PM

here are 2 more shots , the first is the back side of a 35 ford rim, which you can see is very thin and without the hub filling the space and the hub resting against the back they will crack, and be very dangerous.The second pic has the adapter set in and you can see it fills the space and adds the support the rims needs.

ConductorX June 29th, 2005 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy@Jun 28 2005, 02:52 AM
Either rustrodder or ConductorX, let me know a price for a pair or the set. Hey ConductorX did you get a chance to measure the pattern? Hey rustrodder, they are for sure for a truck pattern, whats the bolt pattern size?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>


Sorry I have been tied up... I'll try to remember today.

PAPA_SMURF June 29th, 2005 10:50 PM

actually the vw drum sits perfectly in a ford wheel with about 1/4" all the way around.

Was thinking about running these 6 lug kelsey hayes 16" cause I have hubs that will bolt onto some kinda spindle for my 35-36 ford axle. Not sure how the hell I am gonna find out which spindle I need.


But then I will just have to get adapters for the back.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:45 AM.

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
ALL text, images, graphics and content herein are Copyright 2002 - 2020 Three Pugs Design - Cut Weld Drive Forums