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Old May 6th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #1
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Finally got the car to quit puking antifreeze, painted the radiator cause I couldn't stand the aluminum color, got the hood on, and drove it down the coast, up the hill, and through the redwoods. I made the first trip, came home, parked it, and used an infrared heat gun, and checked temps in about 12 different places, including the top and bottom tank of the radiator.
painted the radiator with some barbecue paint, re-created the exact same run, same ambient air temp, everything, only difference being the radiator was painted. Came home from trip #2, and you know what? There was NO difference in temps, not one degree, not anywhere. So when somebody tells you "don't paint your aluminum radiator, it will make it run hotter, tell them they are full of crap, and show them this thread. Now, granted, I sprayed a fog coat, not heavy, just enough to get the silver from showing, but I had always heard you shouldn't paint an aluminum radiator... To me, that "Myth" is now BUSTED...
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Old May 6th, 2010, 03:33 PM   #2
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Good to know, I heard both versions, that you should paint it black to help didipating heat or to keep it raw to help radiate heat, now we know it does not make any difference.

Donīt know if it applies the same but Miur recommends painting the tins, pushrod tubes and valve covers flat black
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Dave, you have done such a nice job on that car.
It is a really sweet ride. Good to know about the paint issue. I am sure we can use the same data for our tin if we want to use chrome or painted.

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and every time you post another pic, I add it to my screen saver file
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Old May 6th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #5
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Someone actually did a study and comparison, between black painted, and chromed cylinder tins and fan shroud, on a Type 1, upright, 1600 cc, dual port engine... the only thing changed was the fan shroud, and upper cylinder tin.
Exhaust gas went up 20 degrees. head temp up 20 degrees.
oil temp went up, IIRC, 15 degrees.
You really want a mirror, reflecting all that heat right back at your engine, on your engine????
If you want to run the chrome cylinder tin, okay, but at least do yourself the favor of painting the underside black....
my YOM tags finally got here today, so i was able to take the red temporary sticker off the windshield....
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Old May 6th, 2010, 05:49 PM   #6
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sweet now you should take a picture of the car without the tag in the window. i want to save it... btw car looks sick
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Old May 6th, 2010, 06:12 PM   #7
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More expensive than paint, but seemed to work on my old 914 Lite 2.5 headers:
http://www.performancecoatings.com/index2.html

Notice the difference between Thermal Barrier coatings (keeps the heat inside the coated part) and Thermal Dispersant coatings (transfers maximum heat away from the coated part). You'd want the former on headers, the latter on a radiator (or air-cooled cylinder barrels).
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That has VW parts on it so it is a volksrod!
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Bugdust, you are absolutely right, it DOES have some VW parts on it... mirrors on the outside, steering column (not the shaft, just the cover) and the gas flap door, courtesy of a Volksrodder that I forgot the name of... sorry, whoever you are....
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Bugdust, you are absolutely right, it DOES have some VW parts on it... mirrors on the outside, steering column (not the shaft, just the cover) and the gas flap door, courtesy of a Volksrodder that I forgot the name of... sorry, whoever you are....
you got one of them from me.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:20 PM   #11
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Bugdust, THANK YOU, and I am sorry I forgot who was so kind and generous to send it to me. Getting old sucks, but it beats the alternative....If yours was kinda a blue/green/aqua color, it is now a part of a 1926 Model T Tudor Sedan hot rod....
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Old May 6th, 2010, 10:21 PM   #12
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looks great dave! i'll be by this summer for a ride!!!
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getting use to that 'unique' sound yet?
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Old May 7th, 2010, 12:22 AM   #14
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good to se a tudor like that not chopped, channeled and sectioned the hell out of it. i love it.
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Agreed! Gotta love the high roofs on these cars - sortof like giving the finger to all that is conventional
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looks great dave! i'll be by this summer for a ride!!!
No way, Brian.. I'm gonna make **YOU** give **ME** a ride in it.!!!

You know, "Back In Ye Olden Dayes" these Tudors weren't even wanted...if you didn't have a roadster or a coupe, you didn't have sh*t. Touring cars, Tudors ad Fordors, weren't on the list as hot rodding "must haves"...but hwat if you want to haul more than one passenger? Model T coupes, according to my reasearch, never had rumble seats, the way that the Model A coupe did... so what were you supposed to do?
And a lot of them I see now, are SO chopped, like 9-10 inches, and channeled way over the frame, that they become impractical to drive..or see out of...
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that is a swell looking ride the man.
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Bugdust, THANK YOU, and I am sorry I forgot who was so kind and generous to send it to me. Getting old sucks, but it beats the alternative....If yours was kinda a blue/green/aqua color, it is now a part of a 1926 Model T Tudor Sedan hot rod....
Dave, no worries man! I don't remember most of the people I have bought parts from over the years. I sometimes know them by sight or name or location but the internet has taken a lot of that out of the parts hunting experience.

Yes, mine was cut out of a blue/green/aqua 60 euro ragtop that had a 68 front clip on a 70 pan.
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I can't believe I'm the only one that has to courage to speak up.......... I have to say you totally ruined your car by painting the radiator black. The only solution I can come up with is that you must give the car to me immediately so I can fix it





























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"Bugdust, you are absolutely right, it DOES have some VW parts on it..."

Funny, I think just about every non-VW I owned (that wasn't dealership new) has had VW bits-n-pieces added on....usually from my big ol' bucket of VW hardware. there's just something about that German engineering...LOL!

That's great news Dave! So whats next on her.. or are you about done? One of these years (before DMV pulls your license cause you're too old) We have to drop in on you and Leslie...Guess we'd better hurry eh!

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Cool ride! Love it! Temps any different with the radiator painted?
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Finally got the car to quit puking antifreeze, painted the radiator cause I couldn't stand the aluminum color, got the hood on, and drove it down the coast, up the hill, and through the redwoods. I made the first trip, came home, parked it, and used an infrared heat gun, and checked temps in about 12 different places, including the top and bottom tank of the radiator.
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"Bugdust, you are absolutely right, it DOES have some VW parts on it..."

Funny, I think just about every non-VW I owned (that wasn't dealership new) has had VW bits-n-pieces added on....usually from my big ol' bucket of VW hardware. there's just something about that German engineering...LOL!

That's great news Dave! So whats next on her.. or are you about done? One of these years (before DMV pulls your license cause you're too old) We have to drop in on you and Leslie...Guess we'd better hurry eh!

Aloha!
Careful there, Jeff, there's a special going on right now from San Fran to Lihue....

No, there's lots to be done, I have to still get at the bodywork and paint, it is going to be the light gray the firewall and dash already are, to help hide some of the sins an 84 year old body wears... Leslie keeps insisting that it needs an interior, and (gasp) a heater...It never gets warm enough here to need A/C, beisdes, you think Ben Pon was the first guy to think of safari's???
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Dave, no worries man! I don't remember most of the people I have bought parts from over the years. I sometimes know them by sight or name or location but the internet has taken a lot of that out of the parts hunting experience.

Yes, mine was cut out of a blue/green/aqua 60 euro ragtop that had a 68 front clip on a 70 pan.
Yes, sir, that is EXACTLY the color I took off... there's still actually a tiny bit, inside the box part, and the gas cap is still that color.
Thank You again, kind sir.
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