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Old January 10th, 2011, 05:37 AM   #26
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I agree you should just get a narrowed rack, otherwise you will fight bumpsteer issues. Unless you are determined to use lower A-arms, the stock arm with strut rod is plenty sufficient and is actually stronger. Can be adapted to airbags without much issues. Biggest concern is having to mount the shock outside the airbag, since stock uses shock inside the coil spring.

As for brakes, since you want to go with Chevy pattern, consider upgrading to the larger S-10 rotors. Since you probably need new calipers, or should put new calipers, the cost to upgrade is only the extra caliper brackets. Just look at any street rod type magazine for numerous vendors who make Must II larger rotor brake kits. About $200-ish for rotors, bearings, brackets, calipers.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 09:29 AM   #27
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Moving the rack up COULD help with bump steer,
depends on several variables; including how close the factory set up was.

Try it and see.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 09:30 AM   #28
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I would also consider pulling the rack back, to increase Ackerman.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #29
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Gonna do a narrowed rack after all. Having it moved up caused concern for the fuel tank.

I have looked at upgraded brake kits. Probably end up doing the 11 inch cross drilled rotors with new calipers.

I know when you do an airbag you have to mount the shock along side the spring.... Most kits come with an upper mount.

I will leave the stock lower control arm on for the time being. But want nice and purdy stainless a arms eventually.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 01:10 PM   #30
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Just ordered an Airbag kit for the front.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 04:33 PM   #31
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What bags are you using? I am setting mine up for bags as well. I've looked around for tech info on selecting bags. Most info I find is for a specific application but a MII in a VW beetle ain't on no lists!
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Old February 5th, 2011, 11:19 AM   #32
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Well I ordered mII specific bags. I know they will have no problem lifting the front of the bug. I still have the stock lower arm. So I built mounts that will allow the airbag to mount.

Ebay ad for Mustang II air suspension


Problem is. I ordered them on the 14th of January and have yet to receive them as of Feb 5th!!.... Ebay seller has a 99.3% positive feedback. I hope I don't have to be the guy to leave negative.
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PJ... What is your plan for the brake master cylinder?
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Old February 7th, 2011, 02:48 PM   #34
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I'm thinking I'm going to use a setup like Wilwood makes that mounts the master cylinder and clutch slave in reverse and use the remote reservoirs. Also check out Kugel's web site for a lot of ideas.

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You'll need some reinforcement on the mounting area, but they should work real well.
http://www.wilwood.com/Pedals/PedalList.aspx

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This 50s style master cylinder might work in the stock location. But I think I would purfer a later dual circuit type.

50s style with an Empi Reservoir.

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Definitely want dual circuits.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 08:24 AM   #38
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Plug a Volvo MC reservior into a dual circuit to get what your after.
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Plug a Volvo MC reservior into a dual circuit to get what your after.
I'm actually after a shorter master cylinder. but don't want to give up the dual circuit.
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I moved the stock master up about 4 inches to clear the cross member of the MII suspension. But now the actuator interferes with the gas peddle.... a little more fab work and it will be fine.

Air bags came in this evening. They are smaller than I expected. Can't wait to bolt them in and see them workin.... maybe Sunday.
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Small is good, with a rear engine.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:58 PM   #42
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Small is good, with a rear engine.
No doubt.. Thats what I was thinking.

Dad and I started gutting the spare tire location behind the front apron. Gonna reshape it to make room for the air tank. With the stock front beam gone it opens up the area in front.



Built a new support for the front of the body.. Used to bolt to the top of the stock beam.



Not to sure about my master cylinder placement. May go to the junk yard and scout out some master cylinders replacements.... I need somethin with a dual circuit and that measures just over 4 inches.... The stocker is about 7 inches and the new MII crossmember is now in the way.

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Someone else posted about pedals/master cyl.
I'll see if I can find it.
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Take a look here for ideas.http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=255557

I like the 90* set up if you can work it out under the hood
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Ugh!!! installed the bags and discovered that with them installed. The suspension will not lay out like I hoped. So........ 2 inch dropped spindles are in my future.



Also did a quick mock of were I will put all the air management equipment.

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It looks like you can cut the airbag extension piece a bit. The piece that goes up into the spring pocket could be made shorter, giving you a bit more drop, as long as the airbag does not rub the metal. Airbag must be free from anything rubbing on it.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 07:54 AM   #48
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It looks like you can cut the airbag extension piece a bit. The piece that goes up into the spring pocket could be made shorter, giving you a bit more drop, as long as the airbag does not rub the metal. Airbag must be free from anything rubbing on it.
that did cross my mind. But I fear it may rub on the front portion of the spring perch. you can see in the photo below. it looks like its close.

Never mind the placement of the tie rod to spindle. I know it goes up threw the bottom. I just put it there to get it out of the way.

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Will those tie rod ends allow it to drop any further ?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:31 AM   #50
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Ouch! Those tie rod ends aren't going to last!
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