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Old August 5th, 2003, 08:07 AM   #1
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I know that when you cut off the roof of a vw you need supprt(roof=alot of support) and that means braces.Wondering were everyone puts theres?????
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Old August 5th, 2003, 08:10 AM   #2
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On the pillars, behind the doors, going from one side to the other...
A roll cage helps a lot too...
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Old August 5th, 2003, 08:33 AM   #3
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there are several ways to do this...
my car has two 2x4 box steel runners from one end to the other about 18 inches apart. then i have a hoop roll bar that is tied into the body at 6 points. car does not flex, and is stiffer than when the roof/glass were there.
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this was the starting point for the midengine notch speedster... can you say ouch?
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Old August 5th, 2003, 10:55 AM   #5
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my car has two 2x4 box steel runners from one end to the other about 18 inches apart. then i have a hoop roll bar that is tied into the body at 6 points. car does not flex, and is stiffer than when the roof/glass were there.
yup,
i suppose that's one way to do it... :D
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Old August 5th, 2003, 11:05 AM   #6
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I want to have this be my daily driver and would like to avoid a roll cage.Also I am doing(hopefully) a carson top and would like to keep the backseat availible. ??????
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Old August 5th, 2003, 11:13 AM   #7
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the box steel runners sounds like the way to go then... after all, on a vert beetle the only chassis reinforcements, are the ones in the heater channels...
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Old August 5th, 2003, 04:40 PM   #8
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this is actually a daily driver for me in the sunny months. and i am only missing the rear seat because of the midengine. you can do the roll cage and still have access to the rear seats. not really an issue either.
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Old August 5th, 2003, 06:27 PM   #9
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Vwfye,do you have some kind of top for your speedster??? It looks like there are some kind of klip things all aroung the top.
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Old August 5th, 2003, 06:28 PM   #10
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Old August 5th, 2003, 08:06 PM   #11
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they are for the english style tonneau cover. you can unzip just the driver's area and keep the rest of the interior dry.
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Looki here: :) more about this topic.
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Old August 6th, 2003, 06:36 AM   #13
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Thanks for all the info.Alot of help!
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Old August 6th, 2003, 06:38 AM   #14
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Actually just thought of this.Should I add all the braces before cutting the roof off,so the shape stays?Or cut the roof then add the braces?
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Old August 6th, 2003, 07:06 AM   #15
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Add the braces before cutting....
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If you don't re-enforce the pan before you remove the top you will more than likely experience doors that don't quite shut right. also, when you remove the top, the rear pillar area has foam in it... so, be careful to avoid FIRE! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif[/img]
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Old August 6th, 2003, 12:47 PM   #17
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Thanks for all your help.Your speedster would look sweet flat black!!
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the box steel runners sounds like the way to go then... after all, on a vert beetle the only chassis reinforcements, are the ones in the heater channels...
Not true... there is extra steel all over in the stock vertÖ extra bracing by the hood hinges, double walling under the dash, triple walling on the sides of the footwells, fillets and double walling around the inside of the door opening, box type cross brace under the back seat, bracing in the top corners of the engine compartment... and the big boxed rails under the heater channels. But the pan is just the same as the sedan. :P

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Originally posted by All_talk+Aug 6 2003, 11:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(All_talk @ Aug 6 2003, 11:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Electric Wizard@Aug 5 2003, 11:13 AM
the box steel runners sounds like the way to go then...† after all, on a vert beetle the only chassis reinforcements, are the ones in the heater channels...
Not true... there is extra steel all over in the stock vertÖ extra bracing by the hood hinges, double walling under the dash, triple walling on the sides of the footwells, fillets and double walling around the inside of the door opening, box type cross brace under the back seat, bracing in the top corners of the engine compartment... and the big boxed rails under the heater channels. But the pan is just the same as the sedan. :P

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Old August 7th, 2003, 05:33 AM   #20
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alright you all, i'm sooooooo sorry to be spreading dis-information...
Ok, so just brace the shit out of it... :D :D :D
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I'm confused on whether y'all are talking about a Beetle or a Type 3 ... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif[/img]

Anyway, here's a page that show the reinforcement areas for converting a bug sedan into a convertible.
Props to Jan Andersson (Bugfuel) for this page:

http://www.geocities.com/janbugger/vert.jpg

edit: well, crap ... I didn't think about that being a geosh*tties page that browns out after you look at it twice. :rolleyes:
I'll attach the pic here if it's ok. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif[/img] Hope it helps.
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alright you all, i'm sooooooo sorry to be spreading dis-information...
Ok, so just brace the shit out of it... :D :D :D
No Prob Wiz, but now you are on my dis-information list and Iíll have to start checking all your posts. :D :D :D j/k

Iíve thought about taking pics of all the reinforced areas on my vert, but I should have done it before I finished it because the carpet covers a lot of it. Maybe if I pull the carpet for the repaint this winter Iíll do it then.

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Old August 7th, 2003, 09:38 AM   #23
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great info guys..now I gotta go find another one (bug)..well actually 2 more... :D
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I found some decently detailed blueprints on how to make your own vert rails (measurments, where to drill, etc), you can download them here. They're in PDF format BTW.


Alternate link: http://www.pre67vw.co.uk/downloads/default.asp
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cant you just do something like a 6 point cage ? I'd rather do that and cover it up with some old bamboo or palm tree leaves , go for some fantasy island looking shit
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