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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:07 PM   #1
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Kinda quiet at work today so I got to some homework! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Dancing.gif[/img]

I,ve been wanting to have a go at widening some stock steel wheels for ages and finally got my arse in gear and got on with it.

Take one stock Austin steel wheel.

This is isnt a VW wheel, its for one for one of my other projects but the principles will be the same whatever the breed of motor you,re working on.
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:10 PM   #2
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First thing to do is seperate the two halves. Find out how your centres are attached to the rim. In this case they were spot welded so out with the drill and git to it.
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:13 PM   #3
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There ya go,one disassembled wheel.It,ll take a bit of persuassion to get the centre out but keep hitting that fucker with a hide mallet and she,ll come.

Just mind your fingers........



BASTARD!!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yelling.gif[/img]
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:16 PM   #4
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What we need now is a wider rim for that centre to go into. Whether I got lucky or not,I,ll never know but round the back of the depot, in the scrap pile,I had some Ford Mondeo 14" rims. just so happens the the centre diameter is 308mm, exactly the same as the Austim rim..... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smokin.gif[/img]

This sucker was welded at the rear seam...
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:18 PM   #5
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Grind the weld right down and to ease things a little I also torched the centre out as I wont be needing it.

BANG BANG BANG DING DING DING.

Phew,tough wheel.
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:27 PM   #6
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So now we have a wide rim and a centre that you know fits your car.Time to make them unite.

After giving them both a quick clean up with the grinder,I trial fitted the two halves. Not a bad fit at all and it took quite a bit of persuasion to make them go together.Not a bad thing as we dont want a sloppy fit at this point.

Now comes the tricky part. The wheel needs to run straight and true and if the centre is off errrrrr,centre,then you gonna git a wobbly wheel [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crybaby.gif[/img] this is a bad thing.......
So I ran mine up on a wheel balancer to check for straightness,not too bad but needed a little tweaking. I figure 1 to 2mm max run out at the rim will suffice.
Obviously everyones not as lucky as me and have access to such machinery so you need to improvise......Bolt the wheel to a spare hub? The car itself? Either will do but make sure you do before the next step. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yelling.gif[/img]
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:37 PM   #7
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To make the two halves clamp together well enough for welding and to keep in alignment,I drilled 4 8mm holes through the four mounting webs on the centre section and through the rim.Fit 4 coresponding 8mm bolts and tighten the just enough to "bite".Check the alignment one more time and then fully tighten the bolts to secure the two halves.

Now tis time to weld.

This is a wheel. If it come apart at speed,you might die.Or worse,kill some other unlucky fucker!
So,hows your welding? No,really........

I trust mine and in this case I,m going to do large spot welds through the original holes I drilled in the centre section to get it out AND seam weld as per the Mondeo rim. A little bit belt and braces but as I said before, THIS IS A WHEEL.......


The rather unfinished product. Lots of final prep to do but I now have cool wheels for a car where no wheels existed before. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Dancing.gif[/img]
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To make the two halves clamp together well enough for welding and to keep in alignment,I drilled 4 8mm holes through the four mounting webs on the centre section and through the rim.Fit 4 coresponding 8mm bolts and tighten the just enough to "bite".Check the alignment one more time and then fully tighten the bolts to secure the two halves.

Now tis time to weld.

This is a wheel. If it come apart at speed,you might die.Or worse,kill some other unlucky fucker!
So,hows your welding? No,really........

I trust mine and in this case I,m going to do large spot welds through the original holes I drilled in the centre section to get it out AND seam weld as per the Mondeo rim. A little bit belt and braces but as I said before, THIS IS A WHEEL.......


The rather unfinished product. Lots of final prep to do but I now have cool wheels for a car where no wheels existed before. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Dancing.gif[/img]
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
ok, I'm doin it.
So really the hard part will be to find a wheel that has the same ID as the stock vdub wheel so the center will fit tight? hmmm...


Great write-up needs to go in the too lazy thread.
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:43 PM   #9
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Withthe stock caps on it should hopefully cause the purists to scratch their heads! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/funny.gif[/img]
And the trick part I,m working on at the moment is making the valves work,round the back! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img]
That should REALLY fuck em up [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif[/img]

Three more to do........ [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sleeping.gif[/img]
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Old May 11th, 2005, 01:57 PM   #10
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for those in the uk, certain jag steelies are 15x6J, with the same size inner as a vw wheel. it was a common buggy trick to do this, ive had a few pairs that have been done. dunno what you could find the same in the states tho.

oh and 1-2mm runout will be fine, factory production steel wheels for modern cars are only done to 1.5-2mm!!
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Old May 11th, 2005, 02:06 PM   #11
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Don't know if it helps, but my widened wheels were made from GM wheels. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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Old May 11th, 2005, 02:07 PM   #12
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Great write-up needs to go in the too lazy thread.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>
It already is! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hello.gif[/img]
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Old May 11th, 2005, 02:21 PM   #13
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Similar old school trick to reverse the wheels too, great write up. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img] <span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">But please, know what you are doing especially the welding</span></span>, if you are uncertain take it to someone else/certified welder or just overlook this thread.
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awesome tips....thanx!!!!!!
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Old May 11th, 2005, 05:19 PM   #15
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hey rottenpop when you say run-out do you mean wobble of the rim as it rotates?
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I guess if you were not really confident with your welding skills you could just tack weld it then get a Pro to weld it up for you.

If anyone finds wheels that have the same inner diameter as the stock beetle wheels they should post them. That way everyone will something to reference if they consider doing this. They will know what cars to look for .....

I was thinking also that there could be a way of taking a drum and adding some spacers to get the configuaration you want . Kinda like blocking it up to make your own jig. Maybe on a axle or and old spindle...... A home made alignment jig if you will. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]
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I was thinking also that there could be a way of taking a drum and adding some spacers to get the configuaration you want . Kinda like blocking it up to make your own jig. Maybe on a axle or and old spindle...... A home made alignment jig if you will. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]
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I've been thinking about this for awhile...I think using an axle to make a jig would be the way to do it...
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A trailing arm turned on its side would be a good start as well. Just cut off what you don't need add a stub and a drum.
Weld or bolt a bracket to the trailing arm to act as a gauge or a mount for a dial indictator and you gotta good jig.
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did anyone ever find a manufacturer that has the correct inside diameter to match the stock vw wide 5 wheels
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Carlisle Tire in So. Cal. (909) area code rolls steel rims and stamps wheel centers. I don't know how helpfull they would be in giving out the rim I.D. and selling rims in small quanities but you could give them a try. They supply a lot of steel wheels to the trailer and automotive industry. I know they should have 15x5.5, 6", 7", 8", and 10" rim widths.
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Old September 9th, 2005, 10:20 PM   #21
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http://www.stocktonwheel.com/

Great guys. If you want a steel wheel they are they folks to talk to. taller, wider, more offest etc etc.
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I did basically the same with my stock 3.00x16 wheels, welded in 6,5 wides instead..
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aren't you forgetting something?What kind of rims are those?Inquiring minds want to know!
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Sorry.. VW Bora's (Jetta's in US i think?) stock 6,5x16 were the donor wheels... Notic that they only fit to the center of the stock 16 inch for pre-52 beetles...
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those look like they have a fairly deep offset if you flipped the center over would it still work?Obviously the air valve is something...but if one is already welding...
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