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Old February 12th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #1
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ok does anyone have any info on hooking up a shifter for a mid engine vw ( mid engine dung buggy style) with the engine in front of the trans axle. I have seen mid engine shifter kits but it just seams to be a goofy bracket wit heims. can some one school me on hooking up a shifter???? can you make it your self? any pics of diagrams? thanks for any info. drew
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If you scour enough Formula V pages, you might find something. http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/gallery/SubFrame.jpg
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Old February 12th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #3
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Cable shift makes a good one but it does look clunky


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Old February 12th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #4
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Lotsa good info here.. https://www.google.com/search?q=+&rl...+mount+shifter+

You need to decide on cable or rod accuated. My mid eng came with a cable shifter box up front, I plan to make the nose cone linkage and buy cables to finish
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Old February 12th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #5
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this shows how to fab a shifter but not the nose cone linkage, study cable nose cone linkage for vws, they're fairly simple.

Cable shift kit for the Porsche 901 tail shift transmission

http://www.etischer.com/914cableshift.html
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Old February 12th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #6
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A source for cables.

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Old February 12th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #7
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It's been a little over 20 years ago, but I helped a friend of a friend's put together the shift linkage on his mid engined rail buggy, it was made up of a few rods, a few HEIM joints & a couple of brackets, neither of them could figure it out, it took me a while, but after looking at all the parts he had from a shift linkage kit he bought, it wasn't that tough to do

When I get around to building my AC VW front engined trike I'm gonna use the HEIM joint type linkage on it, I'm sure once I look at the trans, I could figure it out again, if you have trouble with it gimme a holler, I can even stop over your place & give you a hand with it if you need it, I have nothing but time

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Janmar makes a pretty efective unit. This is the type I have. Search mid engine on the Samba classified and you can find this setup as a full kit for around $150. Sold by Dan's Performance Parts.
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Hello Drew. Heres one from a late 90's CB catalog.

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I run a Brandwood cable shifter on my middy notchback. It is a definitely not designed for quick/short shifts. It works, but I dont really like it. I'd rather have the nosecone replacement set up with rods. But, they have their own issues too.
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Prowler used to make a nosecone replacement set up, not sure if they still do. it was too much $ for my budget back then.
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man I like that replacement cone.

so if you used the factory nose cone and a heim/rod kit is the shifter pattern the same???



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"man I like that replacement cone.

so if you used the factory nose cone and a heim/rod kit is the shifter pattern the same???"


The shift pattern is the same at the shifter lever, the pattern at the nosecone is unchanged but reversed because the trans is spun 180 deg. the heim linkage setup at the nosecone corrects the shift pattern by reversing the " N-S-E-W " motion of the shiht lever. Using a cable setup also requires a cable shift lever mechanism.

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When I was buying parts to do a midship setup (which I may still do...) I bought a 914 side shift transaxle. Already setup for midmount, and has longer legs what with that extra gear. Just a thought...
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Using something like in this link all you would need to do to make it work is move the attachment point on the shifter from below the pivot point to above it. On something like this, simple is better.
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I would rather use the mechanical one with the heims and rods. I wish I could get my hands on a used one . I would try and make my own if I had on in front of me. I just don't personally care for the cable shifter that much. I like all the heims and rods my self. I did fin some pics on the interweb of mid shifters though:
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I looked into quite a few setups a while back, this Buggy/Formula V type was the cleanest I found.







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That setup looks purty nice, I kinda like how simple it looks, may hafta use something like that on my front VW engine Trike

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i like it the best but I wish I could get a close up on the trans nose cone / shift rail piece that is where the old shift rod coupler went on. did that make since???
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Does your internet browser have a zoom feature, my zoom (IE 9) is on the bottom right, right above the clock, goes 400 %, very close. or maybe you can copy to photoshop and enlarge the image.

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thx for the link! I will try to make my own.


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