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Old May 2nd, 2017, 05:54 AM   #1
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*Realized I started this build thread in the Intro section, sorry, well, I'm a dumbass.

Finally started work on this project for my wife. Working on replacing some damaged body in the rear and figuring out ride height and suspension. Hoping someone can help answer a few questions on the parts I have and figured this was the place to ask.






The car already had this front beam extension on it when I bought it, I haven't been able to find info on it and am wondering how I can tell if it has a drop to it, or is lowering the front end from stock:





I also got these drop plates and transmission raise with the car, I see many of the transmission raise kits have mid-mount weld in piece, something I didn't get with the car, the luggage compartment has already been cut out by the PO in prep for the trans raise. Am I going to need to fabricate the mid-mount?



I expect to get some shit here for doing all this cutting and welding to the body and not even chopping the top, wife is firmly against chopping the top, but wants the car "slammed, stretched, and fast" so I'm still on board.






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Old May 2nd, 2017, 05:55 AM   #2
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One step closer, found a mid-mount weld in template for a 2" raise, now I have to measure and see if my back raise mount is a 2".

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Old May 2nd, 2017, 06:06 AM   #3
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Cleared out a retired sand rail builder's VW engine stock this weekend, now have 16 long blocks and a couple complete turnkey engines, all but 1 or 2 of the long blocks are 1600 DP, 1 built unused 1914 long. Also a dozen or more DP 1600 heads and a set of like new 1776 heads.
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sounds like you could build a twin engined v-rod. got some plans for one floating around in my head...

if you are doing some roof surgery anyways, you might as well chop the top, you could do a really subtle 2" chop or something to keep the ladyfriend happy. sometime in the past there was a 2" chop bug i was reading about somewhere and the guy used volvo P40 popout quarter windows. looked perfect.
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IIRC, mid mounts are more common on higher HP applications.
Probably takes some stress off the nose cone.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 06:51 AM   #6
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sounds like you could build a twin engined v-rod. got some plans for one floating around in my head...

if you are doing some roof surgery anyways, you might as well chop the top, you could do a really subtle 2" chop or something to keep the ladyfriend happy. sometime in the past there was a 2" chop bug i was reading about somewhere and the guy used volvo P40 popout quarter windows. looked perfect.
I might just have to covertly do that! I'll look into the P40 popouts, thanks. Twin engine sounds great, but likely outside of my wheelhouse. haha

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Old May 2nd, 2017, 07:17 AM   #7
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IIRC, mid mounts are more common on higher HP applications.
Probably takes some stress off the nose cone.
That makes sense, looks like I'll be making one.

Some of the reading I've done on trans raise indicates I'll need a bus trans cone, I have a few bus transmissions sitting around, not super keen on pulling the cones from them though, as I have a sand rail that I'd like to put one of them in, I should figure out if I can put a bug trans cone on the bus trans and put it in the sand rail that way..

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You can keep the Bug nose cone,
but the shifter rod ends up on top of the tunnel.
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also its the split window bus RGB trans nose cone you need to keep the shift rod in the tunnel. not later bay window ribbed transmissions that people like for rails.
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also its the split window bus RGB trans nose cone you need to keep the shift rod in the tunnel. not later bay window ribbed transmissions that people like for rails.
Thanks, just read a bit about the differences, I don't think any of the bus trans I have are the Reduction Gear Box type.. Still unsure how much I want to lower the rear end and will need to raise the transmission, definitely not slamming it, want a reasonable amount of height.

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The extender looks like it just extends but not lowers the front.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 04:16 PM   #12
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The easiest way to tell is to measure the height of the framehead lower mounting bolt, then measure the lower mounting bolt on the beam. If the bolt on the framehead is lower than on the beam, it's probably lowered. If it's under an inch difference, it's probably stock height.
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I'd not chop it if she's against it. It's always easier to chop later rather than to unchop.
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I'd not chop it if she's against it. It's always easier to chop later rather than to unchop.
Haha, a truer statement has never been made! We discussed and she is really likes it stock, and how can I argue with less work?

You guys are awesome, thanks for the input and advise. I'm still trying to get through some of the great info on this site, I'll definitely try hard to search for the answers here before asking!
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I think I would cut and swap the whole roof, before trying to change 1/4.
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yea, would be easier to swap at the pillars for sure. and at that point, might as well chop it...

you're at the point now where you could maybe even do a 5 window coupe or something with it...
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With summer near, a roadster perhaps?
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Old May 4th, 2017, 05:29 AM   #18
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I think I would cut and swap the whole roof, before trying to change 1/4.
Gah, I agree a roof swap at the pillars would be easier, it looked like something fell on the back end of the body and had even crushed part of the interior in that section, I cut it all out and attempted to cut a matching section from another body I had (not a complete roof either), of course that same week I acquired a '69 body for $20... Probably still a lot easier to just do a full roof swap at the pillars and then patch in the other sections that I've already cut out. After talking to the wife, her biggest apprehension with a chop is that she thinks the only glass will be in the windshield and I can't promise that it won't be. haha

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can't cut the rear glass, if you do decide to chop it.
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Certainly, one of the most difficult cars to chop, nicely.
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Nice to have an extra part or two, should the need arise.
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Just a few...
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Inline flat twelve?
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