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Old September 28th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #26
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The subi motor is only 30lbs heaver if i remember correctly. Why not run an adapter plate from keneddy eng? Then source a 3 rib tranny and youll be set.
The stock bug trans will hold up as long as you dont
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Old September 28th, 2015, 12:26 PM   #27
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Don't want to be a spoil sport, but I believe Ian over in Denver is involved with a 4x4 bug, and I have seen at least two other threads where a bug was being treated to 4x4. One all custom stuff and the other a full Subaru set up, but with a stock format (engine in front) not like you are looking at. Interested to see how you go forward with this.
Really? Cool! I love seeing all different kinds of projects!
I'm calculating a TON of numbers. I'll let you know what I come up with.

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Old September 28th, 2015, 12:27 PM   #28
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The subi motor is only 30lbs heaver if i remember correctly. Why not run an adapter plate from keneddy eng? Then source a 3 rib tranny and youll be set.
The stock bug trans will hold up as long as you dont
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Old September 28th, 2015, 12:30 PM   #29
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Would it be practical to flip the Subi trans upside down ?

A few guys have done this on a VW.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 02:25 PM   #30
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The problem is the same on vws, the bolt pattern is asymmetrical and you'd either have to make an adapter or do a lot of welding to the tranny flange. Even then, I'm not sure of the clearances.
I wad considering an inverted bolt pattern for my subie to porsche 915 tranny but it would have pushed the r and p up too high for the Cv outputs to work right...and if you lowered the whole unit, the engine would be about 8 inches underground. :)
I like your thinking though. Sick minds think alike!
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 09:16 AM   #31
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I really like the sound of what your wanting to do
Now to sit back & wait.......... & wait... is it done yet

Just as a side note, I do have a body minus the roof & dash (altho the dash may stay as it's almost to cold to start cutting that out) it's definitely in rough shape, my plans were to use a few parts & keep it as a parts car, I have now had it 3 years longer than I had first planned, the top is getting cut off sometime in the next few days, or at least hopefully before the first snow (we shall see about that), so, if your interested in a body & pan minus the roof, let me know & I'll give it a big push towards where you live (try to keep shipping prices down)

I like the sound of inboard brakes, I have been thinking about mounting the rear disc brake set up I made inboard, I just need to finish everything else first, I'm almost half way there

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I think most of us have that same problem, every time my wife finds out I have some "extra" money in my pocket, like after I drop off a ton of scrap (& that's barely $130), she needs it for something more important
No matter how hard I try she knows when I have money!


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Old October 2nd, 2015, 10:17 AM   #32
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Thanks Ron but I'll see if I can find something local. This project is down the road a bit. I have WAAAAAAY too many other projects going I need to finish first. Anybody want to buy a Spatz dune buggy, go-kart or a 356 replica?
As far as the inboard rear brakes; Hate to tell you but the starter gets in the way. If you could rotate the starter mounting position to the top, it would work perfectly.
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Well good luck on finding a used VW locally, I just read in the paper that they hit an all time low on used VW's especially Beatles & Bugs in Illinois, so ya see, I can keep mine for a few months until you need it
As far as the Spatz buggy, I'll hafta pass on that, but the Speedster Replica, now that's my 3rd favorite car, if it wasn't for having kidney problems, I'd sell a kidney for that, then I'd throw in my 92 Eldorado just for the hell of it

As for the rear inboard brakes, yup the starter is right there, lets just rebuild the bell housing so we can bolt the starter on like you said, can't be that tough, a little cardboard, duct pape & Gorilla Glue & it would be ready in no time

I have a picture from an old Hot Dune Buggies & VW's magazine from a bunch a years ago, I believed they used shorter axles, it's been close to 15 - 25 years since I've seen it, I keep pictures like that, "if I see something that I think I can make, I get a picture or a sketch so I can try someday" now I need to find it so I can try
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 10:53 PM   #34
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I have duct tape, cardboard and gorilla glue! I'll even throw in a few bungee cords and some pre-bent conduit.
As for the body, I'll check the junkyards and see what's there. I don't need a chassis as I have enough junk laying around.

On a different note, I've been talking to Todd at subarugears and told him about my inboard brakes. I sent him my CAD and Inventor files and he is going to give me some feedback. This might be interesting......
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Old October 4th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #35
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Theres a 4wheel drive bug I know of.. it was a rally car. Person used a VW engine and a custom bus transaxle. I'm pretty sure they used volvo parts for the spindles and such... While I can't find information on that car.. .I did stumble across this while hunting down its leads...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vie...4wd+conversion

BooM! Hope that helps.

Honestly I'd just look at engines that rotate differently. Does the subaru rotate the same direction as the VW engine? Then look for a corvair engine or something if thats the case.. Find out about adapters for the engine.. or if you're itching for wc look around at different cars. You might find some nice cheap engines.. I know a subaru is a boxer engine which helps.

I like keeping my bugs aircooled.. I guess i'm a purist in that regard. Just find your self a tatra v8...
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I think someone here, was doing a 4WD, using Syncro parts.
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Old October 4th, 2015, 07:10 PM   #37
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Gang,
I vaguely remember seeing this one on here. Anyone got a lead, history or build info on it? I looks like the body was shortened behind the door about 10". How much of a front chop does that look like? Now all I need is a standard beetle front end, some doors, a roof and a superbeetle front end (to build the rear) and I can get crazy.
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I love that freaking car Seeing the suicide doors they did really makes me happy the idea I had in my head would work.

The thing I like about that coup design is you could get windows that work.. I'm convinced a 1 piece glass design would be the answer.

I've thought of doing QUITE a bit of what that car has done. If a tree ever falls on my 1968 I know what i'm going to be doing it.
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Hax,
Yeah, I've been in contact with Todd. He likes my inboard disk brake idea but thinks it needs a few things. (I agreed) I'll be sending him some revised designs.
I saw the thread he's doing with the Manx...love it!
Totally agree about the rollup windows. You could have AC and heat too! Kind of my future plan. I wish somebody would actually make a full fiberglass VW body.
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Old October 4th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #39
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Theres a 4wheel drive bug I know of.. it was a rally car. Person used a VW engine and a custom bus transaxle. I'm pretty sure they used volvo parts for the spindles and such... While I can't find information on that car.. .I did stumble across this while hunting down its leads...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vie...4wd+conversion

BooM! Hope that helps.

Honestly I'd just look at engines that rotate differently. Does the subaru rotate the same direction as the VW engine? Then look for a corvair engine or something if thats the case.. Find out about adapters for the engine.. or if you're itching for wc look around at different cars. You might find some nice cheap engines.. I know a subaru is a boxer engine which helps.

I like keeping my bugs aircooled.. I guess i'm a purist in that regard. Just find your self a tatra v8...

They rotate the same direction.
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I don't know why they didn't just swap the doors side for side.
Less welding, same effect.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 08:37 AM   #41
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He said that the door beltline tapers and was different and the door thickness is different front to rear. Check the thread 4th comment from the bottom.
http://kustomcoachwerks.com/forums//...=6742&start=75.
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Interesting, thanks.
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George knows his stuff. He builds wicked "kool" rides. Couple of examples.
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I'm curious about how he got the "internals" work..
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I'm curious about how he got the "internals" work..
You mean the flipped R&P? I think it's on his website. For the "front" diff, you just turn it upside down.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 04:10 PM   #46
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I'll have to contact George and pick his brain.
I wonder how hard it would be to put a cloth sunroof on it? I know street beat customs will make a custom sunroof, but I don't know about the crazy contours, not to mention it would be really short.
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Old October 12th, 2015, 07:32 AM   #47
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I'll have to contact George and pick his brain.
I wonder how hard it would be to put a cloth sunroof on it? I know street beat customs will make a custom sunroof, but I don't know about the crazy contours, not to mention it would be really short.
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Use a stock metal sun roof section (which is smaller) but replace the metal panels with ribs and cloth ?
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I'm going to be lucky to just find a body to use...
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You guys just live in the wrong part of the country. I'm selling this one ( driver dual port 1600) for $1500
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OH, and I sold this roller (no engine) titled bug for $300. Had a fair sized ding in the passenger door and the driver side door window was in the back seat.
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