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Old June 16th, 2012, 12:44 PM   #1
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Default Help! How to line up the rear rain gutter/C-Pillar?

Hey guys, completely stumped and need help. I chopped this chop all arround and got the A and B pillars tacked in a pretty decent form, but I'm completely stumped with the C-pillars and the rain gutter. The top is three inches wider, so how to I line those rain rails up to the stock gutters to compensate for the extra 1.5" on both sides? I can't go forward from here without getting this lined up.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #2
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link is not working. It looks like you need to make it public viewed
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Old June 16th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #3
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http://m.flickr.com/photos/jpl3k/7381757134/sizes/o/
this is the mobile link (sorry, I'm on my phone). I think you can change the M to WWW. ?
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Old June 16th, 2012, 02:12 PM   #4
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Bring up the back to meet it. most chops are not an even chop front to rear. Or wedge the rear like the fernon chop in the rear quarter panel to drop it down to meet up.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #5
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Can't see the entire rear view, but it looks like you either haven't cut the rear down the center to pull it all in, or you just haven;t pulled the c pillar in far enough yet. It is not going to be a perfect alignment, you will have to work it to make it line up right.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #6
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You need another roof to stretch the roof as well. When you chop one down it needs to be longer to line up properly.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #7
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longer wider and lots of releif cuts been there done that
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Old June 16th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #8
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Ok guys, sorry for my lack of detail before, as I was mobile.

I chopped the A and B pillars somewhere in the 4" range, possibly a little more. I tacked the A and B's in with nearly 3" extensions above the windshield, driver's door and passenger's door. All looked decent, some minor tweaking need on the passenger side.. gutters look "ok", though I'm not thrilled yet (particularly unsatisfied with the way the passenger side extension sits; it's too flat). I guess my problem is the gutters basically go in a straight line front to back without a curve towards the center in the rear, and since I added almost 3" in width when I chopped it the rear gutters alongside the rear window frame are close to 1.5" too narrow on each side.
I feel like my problem is that I worked front-to-back, instead of front-to-middle, back-to-middle.. Should I cut my tack welds around the B pillars to free them and then line up the C pillars with the roof over the B pillars?
Am I making sense?

I do have a second roof (expansion pieces already tacked in and I plan on using most of the C pillars from the white/red spare roof.. I've been following Fernon's chop as well as a number of others (yours too, Budreaux), but missed something very obvious when it comes to lining up the C pillar rain rails.

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you need to gut and strech the top of the roof in the top of the quarter glass then when the length is correct you you reshape the rear of the qaurter glass frame
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Old June 16th, 2012, 05:55 PM   #10
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Maybe that's it- I need to gut the rood interior support channel and piece/stretch the roof line together in order to flow properly..
I think I'm going to go back out to the garage and look at this again now.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #11
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Most guys are wedge cutting the "C" pillar so it will lay down to match up with the new roof line.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 04:53 AM   #12
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The way you are doing your chop is one of the more difficult ways to do the chop. I chose this method because I wanted to try and keep the original appearance of the roof lines (though it will never bee exact due to the stretching). This method absolutely requires a second roof to pull of properly or you can form the fill in pieces with sheet metal if you have the patience. Though my chop took a few turns and is not a step by step guide on how to do it, it should still give you a few photos and tips on how to do it this way. The link to my build is on my sig.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #13
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Thanks guys, it hasn't been easy, but I think I'm headed in the right direction now.
See my latest post: http://volksrods.com/forum/showthrea...309#post544309
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Old June 25th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #14
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I wouldnt put in a oval, only because the thin slot rear window looks very cool.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 08:33 AM   #15
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Jon, yeah, that's what I decided to do. I'll hold onto the oval for the time-being.
Much of the work in the rear is now complete, aside from some minor cut/weld adjustments.


Honestly I think the rain rails look great from behind the B pillar to the tail end, but still not pleased with the front.. I cut the A and B pillars yet again and will work on lining them up properly. Without the rails I could easily hide the difference, but that's not how I want to do it.
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If anyone has measurements of how tall the windows are on a 4", 5.5", and 6" chop are, those might be helpful. I have to figure out where the rain rails should be in the overhead perspective as one of my rails tilted inwards a bit and I need them to be straight to the front, obviously. Wondering if I should mock up the door height and then lay the roof sections on that??? Thoughts?
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 05:41 PM   #16
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Wondering if I should mock up the door height and then lay the roof sections on that??? Thoughts?
Yes...at this point, you have gone outside the :normal", if there is such a thing, on the measuring and cutting. I'd suggest you set your door frames and then use that to lay down the front half of the roof and get your alignment.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 07:28 AM   #17
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Hey Budreaux, I decided to go another route, but looks like it worked surprisingly well. Be sure to see my updated build thread.
http://volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?p=543747

Hope I can seal up the top and remove the doors for the first time real soon.. I want to start mocking them up with the chop.

For all my photos so far see my flickr set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpl3k/s...7629775140468/
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The roof is a 3 dimensional compound curve,
so you have to consider that as you fit the pieces together.

If the shape was more like a box (Model A)
you could cut the doors first, and set the roof
on the doors.

With such a serious curve,
make the roof look RIGHT,
then make the doors fit the roof.
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