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Old July 28th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #376
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 10:34 AM   #377
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‘Magnum’-brand I-beam Axle Safety Warning

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"Do you have a dropped I-beam axle in your car? Or perhaps sitting in your garage or under your bed waiting to be used in your project? Or do you know someone else who has one? If so, you really need to read this.

Earlier this year, a catastrophic failure occurred on a brand new ‘Magnum’-brand I-beam axle in a newly-completed hot rod. On January 26, Mike Whitehead of Greymouth drove his beautiful new ’40 Ford pick-up for the first time, after four years in the build. During the car’s very first day on the road, as Mike turned to enter a car park, the left-hand end of the Magnum axle, with no warning, snapped off and dropped the left front corner of the car onto the ground, lurching the car to a chassis-scraping halt. Fortunately, Mike was only doing about 10 KPH at the time, and the car stopped without hitting anything or anyone. The possible consequences don’t bear thinking about if, instead, Mike was travelling at 100 KPH and the right side of the axle broke…

The Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association (LVVTA) learnt about the incident in April, contacted Mike, and arranged to take ownership of the axle. “We purchased the axle so that we could get to the bottom of why this frightening failure occurred” said Tony Johnson, CEO of LVVTA. “We needed to immediately know, for certain, what caused the failure, why it happened, and whether it was an isolated incident or it was part of a bigger issue”.
Upon receipt of the axle, Justin Hansen of LVVTA worked with the LVVTA Technical Advisory Committee and expert metallurgists during May and June in order to gain an understanding of the cause of the failure. The final reports, based on a microscopic analysis of a highly-polished cross-section of the material, showed that the failure was caused by a fault in the casting process, either from using the wrong material (such as normal ‘grey iron’ instead of the proper ‘spheroidal graphite [SG] iron’ – otherwise known as ‘ductile iron’ or ‘nodular iron’) or a fault in the casting process such as pouring the material at too high a temperature.

It seemed no coincidence that at around the very time that Justin’s work was going on here in New Zealand, an Australian hot rod magazine reported an identical failure with an identical axle over there. Tony then entered into discussions with one of the co-owners of The Magnum Axle Company in California, and learnt the alarming news that there was indeed a production problem, and that The Magnum Axle Company are well aware of it. The shortest possible version of a long and complex story is that a batch of 500 axles, manufactured during the 2008-2009 period, was faulty, affecting all 500 axles. Some of these axles have been identified and destroyed by The Magnum Axle Company, but many still exist, having been distributed to car builders and retailers all around the world before Magnum realised that the manufacturing fault had occurred.

Tony and the LVVTA team strongly urge owners of any Magnum or unidentified axle (Magnum axles have no identification marking like, for example Superbell) to take the matter very seriously. “It’s absolutely essential that anyone who has a Magnum axle establishes whether or not it could be one of the affected items, and deals with it immediately” says Tony. “If you might have one of these axles under the front of your car, please don’t drive it until you know your axle is OK – we believe that it’s not a question of if the axle will break in half, it’s a question of when.” LVVTA have developed a safety warning Information Sheet on this matter that details the situation, and explains what steps to take. This can be down-loaded free of charge by going to LVVTA’s website, which is www.lvvta.org.nz, and go to ‘Documents’, then ‘Infosheets’, and then find ‘Info 06-2012 Magnum-brand I-beam Axle Safety Warning’ which will be at the top of the list. The Information Sheet includes information on exactly which Magnum axles are affected, the testing process that LVVTA has developed which will determine whether an axle is safe or unsafe, and the situation in regard to obtaining replacement axles from The Magnum Axle Company. More detailed technical information on this matter will be provided by LVVTA in the near future.


Above: The two pieces of broken axle, taken a few days away the failure, hence the light surface rust on the main section end.



Above: Studying the end of the axle shows that a ‘brittle failure’ occurred, which immediately signals the incorrect material or a production fault; - a cast axle should be made from a ‘ductile’ iron, which will deform massively before a complete failure such as this occurs.


Above: A heart-breaking sight for Greymouth’s Mike Whitehead, just hours after getting his ’40 Ford on the road after a four-year build.

Above: This is the sight that greeted Mike as he bent down to see what had caused his pick-up’s sudden stop. The other end of the new Magnum I-beam was still attached to the wheel assembly, now jammed under the mudguard."

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Old August 3rd, 2012, 10:37 AM   #378
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 10:43 AM   #379
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nice find, about time someone did something about this BS...
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 11:55 AM   #380
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That is indeed a great find Unk! I have an axle I bought for my model A in that time frame. I'm gonna look for the inspection mark on it tonight. At least with them knowing about the issue, I can have it replaced instead of just using it for yard art!
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 01:09 PM   #381
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Since they know there is a problem, why can't
they contact everyone they sold a defective axle to ?
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 01:14 PM   #382
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Because it's logical, it's honest, it's admitting they know there is a problem.
That's too easy~
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 02:01 PM   #383
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Blurring the line between:
"Let's hope nobody notices."
and
"Let's hope nobody gets killed."


They admitted to the NZ "Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association",
there was a problem affecting as many as 500 axles.

But no word in the USA.

NOTHING on their web site.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 03:59 PM   #384
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Hmmm just checked my axle, and no markings. Then I checked my build thread, and I had the axle already in November of 2007. So technically it shouldn't be in that "bad batch" Might just have to buy a forged axle anyway. So then I will have some wall art I guess!
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So technically it shouldn't be in that "bad batch" Might just have to buy a forged axle anyway.
it's just not in the batch they are admitting that they screwed up on...
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Might just have to buy a forged axle anyway. So then I will have some wall art I guess!
Just make sure you beat the soon to be "wall art" all over with a hammer, don't miss any part of it, then you can say you cold forged it yourself


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I would not run a cast axle..ever. I have heard of even some Super Bells braking, they too are made in China. I used a Tube axle with forged ends..much stronger, but I know some dont like the tube look and would rather an I beam
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Here is what I'll be getting instead... http://www.est1946.com/forgedaxles.aspx
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Here is what I'll be getting instead... http://www.est1946.com/forgedaxles.aspx
Do we know, under what conditions, his axle broke? That is, was he driving on the highway, on a rough road, pot holes, etc? Just asking.
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I know Mike and this truck! ..
A friend of mine had just done a heap of body work on it.

The roads where it happened are good roads and not a lot of pot holes at all.
I drive my lowered bay around there all the time and never had to avoid any damaged roading.


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That is one sweet looking truck too. It sucks about all of this failing stuff.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #392
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Hats off to the LVVTA, for giving a damn,
and proving why these Magnum axles are breaking.

Magnum knows about this, and they have known for a while.

What are they doing, to protect their customers,
and their customers cars ?

Until they get their thumb out,

it's time to Boycott Magnum.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 10:13 AM   #393
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http://www.classicmemoriesmotorcars....g(Lonnie).html

Thought I would put this here, since this car came back from the dead due to a bad axel.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #394
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The site is down at the moment...
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Hmmm, well to make a long story short, the fire bug is for sale.
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New Hot VW's has a pic of it going down the track at the Oregon Bash.
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49 big ones is a lot of scratch.
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http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=793389

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Since I started a thread asking for help (kinda ranting) with Magnum Axle, I'll give you a short update, with more to come as things settle out.

I did finally reach Fred at Magnum. He was locked out of his building and phones also cut off for a while so no way to receive calls. He asked me to ship my "2008" axle to his home address to be inspected. He determined it was a "2008" axle and immediately shipped a replacement "code stamped" 2012 axle - got it yesterday. Stand up guy IMO. Specially when you know all the crazy shit he has endured for the past year.

Short version, the axle failures basically put him out of business and into bankruptcy. He is working out the mess and plans to reopen very soon. This doesn't move the clock back for the few that had axle issues. But I believe he genuinely wants to return to the quality reputation his company enjoyed for decades before the bad foundry's mistakes.

I think it is important to remember this guy has been making great parts for a long time and just trusted the wrong guys for just one order! And it cost him huge. I'll have more info on the reopening and other stuff soon.

Full disclosure, I do not work for Magnum or represent them.
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And congrats to Lonnie for the piece is the
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Originally posted here by Jon:

http://www.tbucketeers.com/threads/t...ng-down.12900/

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