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Old October 26th, 2006, 07:47 AM   #1
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Default What to look out for when buying a Bus?

Hey guys...
i am still looking for a beatle here in PR, but this guy that i talked to last night at a beatle club is offering me a 1972 Bus with its original engine plus a 1.6L engine, and he says it has new floors....he`s sell it to me for $1000
My intentions with it would be to Chop the top and my a volksrod out of it
my question is...
what should i look out for when it comes rust in the panels, quarters and floors?

i have my doubts cause for that price something must be wrong and i dont wanna get caught in a shit hole as a first project.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 09:37 AM   #2
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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:25 AM   #3
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That's a real money pit kinda thing, a big STAY AWAY ! ! ! If you REALLY want to drive "the box that the beetle came in," get an earlier one that you can fix yourself.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 03:29 PM   #4
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The first thing I would look for if decided to buy a Bus is Buses for sale.

Now that I have used my smart ass answer, I couldn't resist.....

Rust is a huge major factor. Also completeness, rubber seals for those cost a fortune as well. If you gotta do alot of gathering parts the bus better be next to free 'cus your gonna spend a fortune on them piece by piece. Your best bet is to to keep looking until the right ones comes along and resist the impatients thing. Thats has done me in a few times.

I realize that early Buses might be harder to come by but if rust is a major issue then consider svaing up some money and having one shipped to you. Not sure all the logistics for your country, but we are shipping a bunch of stuff to there soon and it's not cheap but it's alsonot as expensive as say shipping to other countries.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 03:33 PM   #5
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Check the nose and rear bottom corners (common hit spots) for bondo. Check the inside of the panels and make sure it's not crumpled in anywhere.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 06:38 PM   #6
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Thanks for the reply
I went to see the bus around 7pm....it was dark, i know tims not the best time to see a car..but...
anyways the floors behind the driver and passenger seats are pretty solid. the floors an the driver side have two small pannels rivetted to it (dee dee dee i dont know why people do it the cheap way).
The only real problems are the rust that is under the front wind sheild where the wipers are...( what are posible solutions?) and the rust on the bottom door jam infront of the tire on the driver side (again, what are the posible solutions?)

And yeah it had like three colors oh well.....primer white will go on top and guess what...primer black on the bottom...with white wall tires...thats what i have in mind if i buy it.

the interiors suck, but its going to be a rat bus so i dont care

one thing i really liked is that the passenger door i lifted the interior panel and it still had the factory bag that goes under the panel.

and has for the engines it has a 1.6L on it plus he`ll give me the 1.7L water cooled original engine. thats going on a 68 bug im going to buy and make a roadster (PR has the best sundays to let your hair down and ride in a roadster)
plus he has a few carbs also includind a pair of weber dual 34`s
and a few diferent exhaust pipes.

On sunday im going to see it again with my grandpa (old skool car guy, my inspiration..fuck yeah) to see what he says

so any opinions im open for them, any solutions for the rust shoot me up
and if i buy im sure as hell going to chop the top so ill need ill the help i can get.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 08:13 PM   #7
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Depends on how much you wanna spend. You can find patch panels for almost any of those areas. Or if you have skill you can make them. Or if you just wanna make it a half ass presentable rat rod look you can throw a bunch of rust killer on those areas and get a big bucket of bondo.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 08:24 PM   #8
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and has for the engines it has a 1.6L on it plus he`ll give me the 1.7L water cooled original engine.
If it's a '72 it should have a type 4 engine in it, which started out at 1700cc (1.7L). If he somehow stuck a 1600 (1.6L type 1 engine with upright cooling fan)in it... what did he do for sealing around the cooling tin? The engine bay will not snug up to the cooling tin. And that 1.7L that originally came with it isn't water cooled, it's air-cooled as well.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:45 AM   #9
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i origenaly made this list for hellfirejim

1.around the door seals and bottoms of doors.
2.FLOORS
3.the lower quarter panels
4.chassis boxes
5.the roof, see if the head liners is peeling off and sneek a peek thru there.
6.the gutters, and the sills leading to the driver and passanger doors.
7.the wheel wells, under the seats.
8.battery tray(s)
9.the cover plates
10.engine compartments floor and walls
11.the compartment doors seals and edges
also look at the bumber mounts and under the headlights thoughs 2 spots tell you alot about the general condition of the bus.

a bus from 72 shouldnt have a 1.6 it wouldnt fit right
steve is right it should have a type 4
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Old October 27th, 2006, 03:46 AM   #10
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Im a newbbie of course, im looking for my first proyect.
So based on the engine swaps i shounldnt buy it right?
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Old October 27th, 2006, 03:49 AM   #11
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well the 1600 is odd but not nessasarly a red flag, pics would help
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Old October 27th, 2006, 04:12 AM   #12
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I agree with veedub, just because it has an engine switch is nothing to shy away from. You're gonna trick it out anyway
We have a 71, minor rust, interior great though, about the same price, the poor 1600 that was in it sits in the garage now, it got switched to a T4 .
T4 are pretty square shaped, T1 are more rounded on the back side. When you open the hatch, you'll notice if it looks like it's been cut or added to for cooling. The bracing under the engine will have to change too. So depending how long this guy has had this bus,and if he did the modifying himself,,, he may or may not really know that much about it. If it's solid enough for what you want to do, go for it, with grampa's approval would be good too~
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Old October 27th, 2006, 05:20 AM   #13
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PLEASE, don't waste your money on this bus, I could give you a full page of reasons against it. I worked in a VW shop for years that specialized in Type II VWs and this is the WORST year bus that you could EVER buy, even if it were "correct" . . . beginning with the 1600 motor being mis-matched with the later transaxle gearing, right through to the front brakes. It's the transition year for a TON of changes and none of them were fully worked out.

Have you checked the underneath yet? The front beam? The "longs where the run under the doors?

If you buy it, we're going to have to start our own "TYPE II SECTION" just to keep up with your repair questions.

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Is it possible that this is a Brazilian bus? .... or did Puerto Rico get US spec buses?
If it's Brazilian, that would explain the 1.6L engine as I think those buses always had Type 1 engines up until they switched over to water-cooled engines, but the switch was only a couple of years ago, I believe.

Tito, do you have any pictures?
Is the VW logo on the bus nose pressed into the metal or is it a separate emblem?
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Old October 28th, 2006, 08:31 AM   #15
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Here's a simple test for buying a bus ... if it is rusted through beneath the windshield/wipers, walk away.

It's an oversimplification, but since it sounds like you are new to buses, it's probably good advice. By the time they rust through under the windshield, there are almost always a whole lot of other issues. Glad to hear you'll have a second set of experienced eyes for the next inspection.

It is almost always better (and cheaper) to spend your money up front for something with a solid body. But, since you are talking of chopping it, you must have a lot of welding/bodywork experience (I hope - a bus chop is a huge job), so in the daylight, you should be able to figure it out.

Engines can always be swapped out.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 10:25 AM   #16
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Thanx again for the replys...
i doubt dearly about buying the bus based on what u guys have said.

``Here's a simple test for buying a bus ... if it is rusted through beneath the windshield/wipers, walk away.``

the bus has like an inch to an inch and a half of rust from from one side of the window to another.
im really not in the mood for headaches, especially as my first VW project.
i prefer spending a little more cash on something better to start of on, than going cheap and spending a lot more on putting it in decent conditions.

and by that, on tuesday in going to check out the 68 i said i also wanted to build.

one question...where is the best place or atleast a decent place online i can get a new 1.6, 1.7 or 1.9 Liter engine and a respectable transmision?
(i have already checked out www.gemvw.com and www.strictlyforeign.com)
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 02:19 PM   #17
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 03:52 PM   #18
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"is the 73 any better?"

By FAR! That's a nice mid year bubble window. Power brakes, disc fronts, strong engine, everything all worked out . . . bigger tail lights and dropped front directionals, but still a cool vintage look.
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