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Old January 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM   #1
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VW's are welcome at Bonneville

http://www.saltflats.com/36_HP.html

Burly Burlie just sent me this link, and hoped it would get passed around to Forums that would be interested.

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Old January 9th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #2
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I think everyone knows the difference, but the big "Speed Week" for Bonneville, sponsored by SCTA and BNI; is different than the USFRA who is sponsoring this category. The USFRA is where you can take your basically sound street car and drive in the 130 mph class. It is run at a different time than Speed Week.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #3
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I think USFRA runs in September.
If the weather is good.

Speed Week is August,World Finals are October.

They also run the 36 hp challenge at Maxton,etc.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #4
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Burly's blue turbo Beetle is a beautiful car.



Last I remember, Tom Bruch owns the engine that's in it.
I was at the Oct. '05 meet at Maxton when Tom set the Super Stock record in his '57. That was the day he was using a Skippy peanut butter jar as an oil catch can.




This is the car Tom was running at the last ECTA meet:


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Old January 9th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #5
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if you were to run a stock bodies car "production", could you run another motor? Say a VR6 or 1.8 turbo?
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Old January 9th, 2008, 11:25 PM   #6
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Looks like all classes have to run stock VW heads (valve changes and other head work looks OK in some classes) with 36 horse valve covers. So, I'd say no.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 12:04 AM   #7
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Great stuff, can't wait to see the results.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 05:24 AM   #8
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I know it would be sacrilege to some to use a 36hp based engine in a curved windshield Super but I wonder if its better aerodynamics would be enough offset its higher weight?

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Weight is a funny issue. For Maxton or USFRA, you basically have to accelerate for one mile and then shut down. So like a drag race, less weight can be beneficial, assuming you do not need weight for traction. But for Speed Week, you have three miles (for the slower <175 mph cars) to get up to speed. Most guys even add weight to cars, or certainly do not try and keep it deliberately light. The extra weight helps stability and traction. The salt is hard, but not real high traction. Kind of crumbly on the surface and people have described it as driving fast on snow.
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if you were to run a stock bodies car "production", could you run another motor? Say a VR6 or 1.8 turbo?


Depends on the class.
Some classes allow engine swaps.
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Like Unk said, different classes allow different mods. The issue with an AC/VW is keeping the engine cool enough while producing the Hp to over come the aero drag in order to reach speeds in excess of 150-200 mph. The amount of dirty air hitting the rear fenders creates a big challenge with the CP also. This will make the car unstable at high speeds also. There is a lot more to land speed racing than just building a fast engine.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 09:42 AM   #12
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Let me expand on my last post a bit. I'm not saying that a VW can not compete on the salt. They can and do. But if you want to really built a Vw that will shake the salt, a bug is not the best way to go. You will do a lot better with a type 3 or a Ghia. But you still have the problem of most of the weight being in the rear of the vehicle. This will make the front end unstable. Think of an arrow. The head is heavy, the shaft is long, and the tail has "fins". These are what make an arrow go straight.

So, applying this to a VW.... Mount the engine in the front (moving the CG forward), choose a body that is long and even (top to bottom), and add in spill plates. This will get you pointed in the right direction and help keep you in that direction.

And for the record, yes I have a lot of time invested in this very subject. And yes there is a LSR build going on around these parts. That's all that I'm going to say on that subject though.
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The 36hp Challenge is for Beetles only.
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True. But are we talking about only running in the 36hp Challange or VWs on the salt period?
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This particular thread is about the 36hp Challenge.

Most official LRS classes aren't by make/manufacturer anyway but by body style and engine size.
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Also true.


In that case, the basic rules are listed above in the link, so there for ignore all that I said.
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as previously mentioned in other thread about the 36hp challenge, im making the journey over from ireland to team up with roadcow, we are currently building a 58 ragtop sedan called "lucky charm" which i will race at bonneville in 2009


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You guys are running in the stone stock class, correct?
The record for that class was also set at Maxton at the Oct. '07 meet in this '51:




If the record isn't broken in 2008, maybe you could take the record back to Bonneville in '09.

I'm not sure but I believe J*ke R*by is also preparing his '66 Bug for the Challenge but I don't know what class.
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Jake was looking at the "New Age" class,but decided against it for a few reasons.

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You guys are running in the stone stock class, correct?
The record for that class was also set at Maxton at the Oct. '07 meet in this '51:




If the record isn't broken in 2008, maybe you could take the record back to Bonneville in '09.

I'm not sure but I believe J*ke R*by is also preparing his '66 Bug for the Challenge but I don't know what class.

yes sir, we are running in the stone stock class

24 years ago my father sat me down and made me wathc a documentary about belly racers and rods racing on the salt...ive carried this dream for a long time..its virtually a life long ambition for me to race on the salt...

2009 is the year, id love to hook up with any of ya'all that are gonna be there or nearby.

one of my buddys in AZ is talking about restoring his 53 barndoor panel to use as our race support vehicle


talking of meeting up with you lot... im coming to america in 3 weeks time...new thread methinks


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For inspiration, just another picture of Burly's blue car on the salt, from the Samba:



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From the Samba:
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I spoke with Dick Beith last week, the current and always top speed record holder of 36HP motors and was advised the engine he went 101 mph in his Beetle in 1961 was a "SINGLE PORT" motor. He indicated he could not afford the Okrasa heads so he took Studebaker valves,"gouged" out the ports and "got lucky!".
Two years later he put that same motor into a lakester and went 129 mph.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 01:07 PM   #24
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i worked with burly when that car was at Bonneville that car is sweet 69 with early fenders and aprons... he's a cool guy. pretty sure motor swaps are within the rules as long as the body isn't modified. it would be cool to do the 36hp challenge
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The car would be faster,if he dropped the back end down.


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