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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #76
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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:38 AM   #77
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Yeah dude we are going to use it to keep a record of team irelands progress on our journey to the salt from the other side of the pond :)

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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:43 AM   #78
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Which 36 hp class are you planning on running ?
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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:50 AM   #79
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stone stock and 130 club dude we are taking a bug and a ghia, two 36hp stone stock engines and two larger engines to try and male the 130 club :)

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Old September 19th, 2008, 04:18 PM   #80
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Old September 20th, 2008, 03:45 AM   #81
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i just forwarded a press release from burly to volksworld, ultravw and hotvws magazine, bar that i havent heard anything more from the salt in the last two days :)


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Old September 22nd, 2008, 11:16 PM   #82
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britt ( the other half of team ireland) took these pics over the week on the salt :)

"We made it and struck camp.

The Big Yellow Van is Burly's.




Here are the 2 racers lined up for their record breaking runs. We had to let 5 cars in between Tom and Ed as Ed was borrowing Tom's helmet.

Tom getting ready to get in the car.

Here's Ed's Oval. Notice the 356 Brakes and wheels!

All in all it was a great experience.

Here is the photoshoot of the 3 Racers and the support vehicles. Sorry about the salt on the lens.


Had a stop at a High Sierra lake for lunch almost home.
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britts bus is the roadcow one

work has started on his ghia and my bug is evolving....if anyone doubts my seriousness about travelling half way round the world to race on the salt..i spent two hours under the needle in the tattooists last week...the name of the car.... will now be carried with me to my grave

and im meeting with our engine builder this week...GAME ON! as they say.

stay tuned..

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Old September 23rd, 2008, 05:38 AM   #83
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Thanks for the pictures, Paul.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #84
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2008 BONNEVILLE RACE RESULTS

On Sep 17,2008, we finally broke the all time 47 year LSR 36 HP sedan record of Dick Beith at Bonneville with Gaylen Anderson's 66 sedan and Tom Bruch's small 1378 cc single port 36 HP turbo motor at 103.497 MPH. I made three passes over the old record at 6,000 RPM with 12 to 14 lb. boost. The second run turned 86.4 MPH in the 1/4 mile and 103.056 at the 1/2 mile mark and held 6,000 RPM for the rest of the mile. The motor lived through all three runs which is a testament to the strength of the 36 HP motors. We ran out of gear and with our tallest tires on.

The 1956 engine is entirely vintage parts including the 50 year old ISKY 2-J cam that can still set records. While at the salt we met Ed Iskenderian (The Cam Father) and after a short visit he autographed our special deck lid.

The day after first setting the new record, The Discovery TV channel spent considerable time filming and interviewing us for a new 13 segment show they are creating for early 2009.

All in all it was a great USFRA race meet, some speed, a little nostalgia and a lot of new friends.

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Congratulations on your record.

What ring and pinion were you running ?
Does the Isky cam use the stock 36 hp lifters ?




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We ran out of gear and with our tallest tires on.


The 1956 engine is entirely vintage parts including the 50 year old ISKY 2-J cam that can still set records. While at the salt we met Ed Iskenderian (The Cam Father) and after a short visit he autographed our special deck lid.
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On Sep 17,2008, we finally broke the all time 47 year LSR 36 HP sedan record of Dick Beith at Bonneville with Gaylen Anderson's 66 sedan and Tom Bruch's small 1378 cc single port 36 HP turbo motor at 103.497 MPH. I made three passes over the old record at 6,000 RPM with 12 to 14 lb. boost. The second run turned 86.4 MPH in the 1/4 mile and 103.056 at the 1/2 mile mark and held 6,000 RPM for the rest of the mile. The motor lived through all three runs which is a testament to the strength of the 36 HP motors. We ran out of gear and with our tallest tires on.

The 1956 engine is entirely vintage parts including the 50 year old ISKY 2-J cam that can still set records. While at the salt we met Ed Iskenderian (The Cam Father) and after a short visit he autographed our special deck lid.

The day after first setting the new record, The Discovery TV channel spent considerable time filming and interviewing us for a new 13 segment show they are creating for early 2009.

All in all it was a great USFRA race meet, some speed, a little nostalgia and a lot of new friends.

Bville Tom Bruch
Congrats, Tom.

Since you just got done with Bonneville am I correct in assuming that you won't be at Maxton this weekend?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 08:47 AM   #87
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I want to thank Ray-Dean for the phone call; Britt (Roadcow) for the help at Bonneville, and Unkl Ian & PJL Oval for there interest support.
Unkl Ian : The ring & pinion was a 4.37 too deep. The Isky cam uses the 36HP stock lifters which work fine. People say that they wont work but I haven't had any problems in excess of 6500RPM .
Scott H: I wont run Maxton until next spring probably,I cant afford any more major road trips now.

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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #88
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Playing with the gear calc on this page:
http://www.johnmaherracing.co.uk/gearcalc.htm

shows that with a 4:37 r&p , .92 4th gear, and 23.25" tall tires,you would be doing 103 mph at 6000 rpm.

Switching to a .89 4th gear is good for 107 mph,
assuming you have the hp.

Or keeping the .92 gear, 25" tall tires would give you 111 mph.

The software doesn't allow for tire growth,or slippage on the salt, but the numbers should be pretty close..
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Old September 27th, 2008, 06:56 PM   #89
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Not related to the 36hp Challenge but I just got word that a motorcycle rider was killed at Maxton today. The details I've gotten are a little sketchy so far but it supposedly was a very experienced rider.

I didn't go down because of the weather and am kind of glad now that I wasn't there.
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Godspeed Dave Owen.
He sounds like one of the good guys.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/inde...ic,4757.0.html
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He sounds like one of the good guys.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/inde...ic,4757.0.html

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All we can tell you now is that DaveO went thru the traps at 216mph, his head was down as he did. He never raised his head again and went left after the finish line. Bike in pieces, Dave went instantly. Massive injuries. His bike is in impound with ECTA officials and under accident investigation by the best, Scott Guthrie.


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Old October 3rd, 2008, 10:46 PM   #92
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It was an honor to be at Bonneville with the 36Hp racers and learn so much from Tom and Carter and all of the guys. There was a real air of excitement as Tom and Ed launched on their first runs ( I didn't get to see any more of Tom's had to go to work) and what an experience. I forgoing my yearly Shasta Snow Trip to concentrate on the Bonneville cars for Team Ireland.
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welcome aboard the good ship volksrods britt glad to have the 'merican half of team ireland on board at last!





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Tom: aside from different gears, any special plans for next years record attempts ?
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I plan to run Maxton in the spring & the USFRA in Sept. but I am not sure of what engine class. We left a lot of sped on the table at Bonneville 08. Wrong gears, way too small a carb, ex valves tightening up, too small a cam, and so forth.. I can see 10-15mph more without spending big bucks. Maybe Jake’s going to run this October at Maxton with an all-out turbo motor, things have been very quiet lately. That could change the whole picture.

I’m also very interested in the SSS (Super Stock Single) class where it has to look stock but is a 36hp type formula Vee inside. This is a restrictor-plate type motor with a stock-appearing 28PIC carb and a ton of mods inside. This is less expensive to build, no dual port heads, no turbo, no big bucks but still a hell of a challenge. I think the potential speed could be close to 90mph with the right combination. I don’t know what combination is best. This would be a trial and error time consuming build much easier on parts but very satisfying if you can get close to the best combination.

The 36hp guys from all over have been very supportive and become good friends – great fun!

How do you see the classes for next year?

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I see "people" getting really stupid/brilliant (depends on how you flip the coin) with certain components of the engine and trany. I also see it growing largely due to a "rebirth" of interest in the old school ways of going fast, and basically doing a lot with a little.
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Yes,I agree there is more speed available in these turbo motors.
And sooner or later, the "evolution" will follow as seen in other forms of racing.
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SSS and DSS will appeal to some people;
NA36 is pretty well "open" to any modifications, which appeals to other people.

What do you think about a class in between ?
Any carbs or fuel injection, no blowers, nitrous, or turbos.
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At the same time,I realize that too many classes could
reduce the number of cars in any one class.

But with some planning and preparation, motors can be swapped pretty quick.
Then you could run more than one class at an event.
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I see "people" getting really stupid/brilliant (depends on how you flip the coin) with certain components of the engine and trany.

How wild could someone possibly get on the trans ?

"Transmission must be a Volkswagen 4 speed swing(non-synchro
or full-synchro) or I.R.S. original Bug transmission. "


That leaves out the aftermarket 5 speed conversions (Berg), and Porsche transmissions.

The only thing I can see is a Hewland convesion,
like used on Formula Fords. It uses the stock Vw case,
machined to suit,with a custom nose cone.
Then each gear ratio can be changed independently.
No idea on the price,but they won't be cheap.
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Just in case someone didn't notice, SAMBA now has
a Vintage Speed forum for 36 and 40hp motor stuff.

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Unkl Ian

Thanx for the guide to Vintage Speed site on Samba. That site is going to be great!

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