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Old March 3rd, 2008, 08:22 AM   #1
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Default My dream in progress ----Project Ragon Fly




Had to make some mods to the front end do to steering geometry issues. The mods actually opened up the front end engine area. Just might end up putting in a smalll V6 EFI with some HP extras. The T4 is really looking to be a bit on the big $$$$$ side. Also the cars resale is much higher with the V6 in it compared to a high dollar T4.

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Old March 3rd, 2008, 08:39 AM   #2
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uhhh...looks neat, but are we supposed to have any idea what you're building from those pics?
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 08:43 AM   #3
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uhhh...looks neat, but are we supposed to have any idea what you're building from those pics?

Check out his intro. All the info is there.


It's comming along nice man.
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 10:00 AM   #4
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Looking good!
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 03:54 PM   #5
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that project is insane! my hats off to you
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 03:58 PM   #6
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yep, agreed its a pretty cool project.
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 04:04 PM   #7
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Also the cars resale is much higher with the V6 in it compared to a high dollar T4.
that car is just sick. but you're already thinking about resale? i'll buy in now for a buck two fitty
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 05:15 PM   #8
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Staynglass ... youre killin me. Remember one thing when you build a car , if your spend a lot of time and money on a car to build you better get more than a $1.25. There are some people out there that really need to have something different and they are willing to pay.
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Unfortunately for most of us, we'll never get our money back out of projects like this. I don't mess with cars to make a profit,
but sometimes it's a nice benefit. :)


You need to hurry up tho. I just moved in w/ my GF and her bro and sis and I don't have any work space, so I'm living vicariously through others. I'm following a ton of UNFINISHED projects, and going nuts because of it

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Old March 3rd, 2008, 06:43 PM   #10
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I love this project, mad props

looks like you made some changes on the frame near the front.

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Also the cars resale is much higher with the V6 in it compared to a high dollar T4.
why not put an inline six in it? somethin a little more unique than just a regular v6.
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You going to box in those open ends? i'm sure Walt and a few others will chime in on that...will be much stronger if you do.


Oh and that thing loooks killer!
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Old March 4th, 2008, 09:22 AM   #12
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Looks sweet ! ! Although that V6 idea is gonna make it into just another V powered Beetle with an over-engineered frame.

Todd and I scored an old TVR Tasmin with a 350 Chevy in it. The body fiberglass is just about cut away and the tube frame is in wonderful shape beneath. Keeping the German Ford front suspension pieces and going with a BMW rear sub frame set-up. Two inches longer than a Beetle, but the fiberglass tilt nose will take care of that discrepancy. We're building it solely to sell, and really won't end up taking it beyond the mechanicals. A running/driving car, but no paint or interior.

I can understand your wanting to end up with a desirable easy to sell ride (doing the same thing myself), but that doesn't stop me from pokin' you for doin' it that way . . .
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:08 AM   #13
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Yes ... I'm going box the ends in after I install the bolt sleeves . Bolt sleeves make it even stronger . TC ... A healthy VW T4 engine seems to be ever so much more $$ to build than a V6 with a similar power curve. The trans adapter material cost and machining estimate is $750 . I could pick up afresh stroker 2.8 V6 MFI with all the electronics for $900. Then there is the Pontiac supercharged V6 . Thats not a typical V powered ride. Who knows what going in there now. I 'm stil looking for V6 engine dimensions ( lenghth, width ,height) to see what will fit.
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Chevy made 60 degree and 90 degree V6s.
Different animals.

The 90 degree motors are based on the SBC V8,just two less cylinders.
Same bellhousing pattern.

The 60 degree is completely different,narrower,different bellhousing pattern.

The blower motors are used in FWD cars,so they might not have
the mounts on the side of the block to be used as RWD.Check first.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 11:21 AM   #15
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I hope you've checked clearance for the tie rod and drag link. From the angle that you took the pictures from it looks like you may have a problem. I hope not but if you do I'm sure you will figure a way to solve the problem. Nice job.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #16
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Walt I do know what you mean . I still have to trim some of the tubing above the drag link. Also need to slide back the cross steering rack back about an inch.

All fun when it comes to cut and paste. Bring on the saws,grinders and welders!


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Old March 4th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #17
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Hey Man, I checked out your intro page and your project is awesome... Looks like a Lakester, or something for the salt and like it's doing about a hundred and sixty-two just sitting there.
A V-6 would be cool, and would keep it light and fast. Plus it looks like you've go a spot in the nose to cut a hole for the radiator.
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So ... why not a VW V6 .....
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If you're going to put a v6 in it you should build/get a turbo one like the grand nationals/T-types. I saw a tube framed Geo with one that was running 9's.

Haha I found a video, damn that thing is scary fast.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 03:41 AM   #20
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Ooops... I meant VR6:
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The Chevy 4.3 V6 is a really nice motor. I have a built one in an S-10 that has LOTS-O-POWER! I'm in the process of trying to sell the truck & Keep the motor & Trans. (TH350) I had that built as well. If you need dimensions on the motor, I can get them for you. Although the motor is in the truck I can still get you some rough sizes to go off of.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 04:50 AM   #22
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I agree about the Chev 4.3 engine. Not a big chev guy my self but 4.3's are dirt cheap, darn near bullet proof and easy to built into HP monsters.

Aluminum 3.5 litre Rover would sure be nice sitting between the frame rail. It's a pretty darn small v-8
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Old March 5th, 2008, 07:17 AM   #23
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If you're gonna do a V6 up front, it's GOTTA be dressed out like this one . . .

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It's a nice little 4.1 liter GM V6 that came in the Caddy/Riviera bodies. Lots of speed parts, lots of aluminum bits to keep it fairly light, and really easy to work on. Just like the engine in your Uncle's Murray's LeSabre.

You know . . . the gold four door with the big burn hole in the front seat from when he fell asleep and dropped his cigar waiting for Aunt Jeanine to come out of the house last Easter.


Oh, if you're interested in a 3.5/215 V8 I have one of the rare Ultra High Compression Oldsmobile engines down stairs.

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I really like the idea of running the flat 4 up front. That is something that I've always wanted to do.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #25
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thanx for more pix of that awesome motor TC. ya gotta see that thing in person to really appreciate it
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