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Old December 5th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #1
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I tried looking in the Too Lazy to Search and Tech Bin but all that is out dated, links don't work & pics don't show up.

I'm looking for pics of extensions. Here's what I've found so far.

JimW, link on main page, ? length, 2" drop


Tinbeater, link on main page, 8" length, 2" drop, 8* caster


tiz, from volksrods.uk, 10" length, 1-1/2" drop, ? caster


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bugdust, 10" length, 2" drop, 6* caster


bayarearods (UK) also sells one but I didn't find a good pic of theirs. It's similar to the tiz one from what I could see in the fuzzy pics linked from their site

Post up pics of any others.
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Old December 5th, 2008, 07:23 PM   #2
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Thank for the bump bugdust by the way your beam ext. looks killer!
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Old December 5th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #3
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Thank for the bump bugdust by the way your beam ext. looks killer!
Thanks. Yours look good, too.

This first one will be one of a kind. I'm already thinking of ways to improve it. I learned a lot building this one. I should have a version 2 designed within a week or so. I'm shooting for the next build in January. I've got to find somewhere local to cut the plate for a reasonable price. Getting a good price on that and coming up with a better design are the two main obstacles I have to overcome before building anymore. I may only build one more to try out my ideas. The cost of getting the plate cut may put off building any more after that. I don't want to have to cut a 1/2 sheet or more to make it affordable because then I'll have to build quite a few of these. I don't think there is enough of a market to justify doing that. Add in the different combinations (BJ-BJ, BJ-LP, 10", 8", etc) and there are just too many variables.

I work full time, help with my wife's business and may still start school again in Jan, and looking at another side business that I may start (not this)...not looking for another headache.
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Old December 6th, 2008, 10:08 PM   #4
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Richard (from France):
http://relic.xooit.com/t2140-PAPOUTA...Y.htm?start=15





15" ext. ?drop ?caster

not sure if you're only looking for commecially available ones, or just examples of what ppl have built...

There's also a beefy big extension built by kbwakesk8 on his Baja-Rod:







18" ext. (i think) ?drop (lift?!?) ?caster

not as elegant as the first bunch you posted, but they seem to get the job done.

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Old December 7th, 2008, 05:47 AM   #5
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not as elegant as the first bunch you posted, but they seem to get the job done.

Richard (from France) wants to die.

No way in hell would I even think of running something like that.

That is just wrong in so many ways.
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I especially want to see the homebuilt ones! I'd like to get pics of every example out there so that when new guys come on here looking for beam extensions we have them all in one place. The poorly designed ones will take a lot of shit, no doubt. But, it should be constructive criticism so people don't hurt themselves or, more importantly, others. That one in France is fine if it's just a garage or trailer queen.
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Richard (from France) wants to die.

No way in hell would I even think of running something like that.

That is just wrong in so many ways.

That was my first thought too. But I didnt say anything.
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when my other computer is fixed i have couple of *cough* home built pics that have shown up at the local shows over the years.
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Isn't That this this cars extention?
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. . . I don't think there is enough of a market . . . .
I still think there'd be a substantial market (relatively speaking) for an extension/adapter that would allow a SuperBeetle pan to run a standard front beam. It'd open up a whole new series of bugs for Volksrods with newer/bigger engines and less scarcity/cost.

I'll post this as a reminder (it's just an adapter, not an extension/adapter, and it's been criticized in other threads already) just to keep the idea alive and maybe give someone an idea:


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The adapter COULD be an extension, too, if the beam was flipped (so the trailing arms became leading arms . . . with a change in caster and a rework of the steering, of course)!


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Hey Doc, where did you get the Super to Standard blueprint? If I get the super from Jack (bugroadster) I may be interested in something like that.

So yes, I think you are right about there being some interest in something like that.
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There may be enough interest for that if it was just a super-to-balljoint beam adapter. One product. Make it beefy enough so that an extension could be added?

The problem with adapters is there are already a couple people selling good units and a small target customer base. Plus, it could get crazy if you tried to please everyone, i.e.
10" bj-bj
8" bj-bj
10" bj-lp
8" bj-lp
10" lp
8" lp
Even if you made a standard 2" drop that is still 5 different extensions. Dropping the 10" ones would help but that's still three different sets of parts. This isn't bad if you have the production capability and you build to order but it would suck if you have inventory sitting on a shelf and your forecast doesn't match your sales.
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how about this one?
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There may be enough interest for that if it was just a super-to-balljoint beam adapter. One product. Make it beefy enough so that an extension could be added?

The problem with adapters is there are already a couple people selling good units and a small target customer base. Plus, it could get crazy if you tried to please everyone, i.e.
10" bj-bj
8" bj-bj
10" bj-lp
8" bj-lp
10" lp
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Even if you made a standard 2" drop that is still 5 different extensions. Dropping the 10" ones would help but that's still three different sets of parts. This isn't bad if you have the production capability and you build to order but it would suck if you have inventory sitting on a shelf and your forecast doesn't match your sales.
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There may be enough interest for that if it was just a super-to-balljoint beam adapter. One product. Make it beefy enough so that an extension could be added?

I'd just want a Super to Linkpin. I prefer link over ball. So there you have it. Another monkey in the wrench.
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I'd just want a Super to Linkpin. I prefer link over ball. So there you have it. Another monkey in the wrench.
2nd the extender for a super, I most deffantly would be intrested.
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Hey Doc, where did you get the Super to Standard blueprint? . . .
It was an illustration in the assembly manual for a FiberFab kitcar - FiberFab made the adapters available as an extra-cost option for a while.

As to all the variables mentioned by Bugdust, the only parts of the SuperB adapter that would be different would be the uprights the beam is bolted to (different sized half-circle cuts for b/j vs l/p). The amount of drop could be set by where the ends of the uprights were cut and welded onto the rest of the adapter. And if you want a 2" longer extension, weld a 2x2 square tube between the uprights and the rest.
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I think if someone came up with an standard beam solution for converting the super over... they would be very busy with those.
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ball joint to ball joint 12 inch extention 2 inch drop stock camber . Pipe in center is 1/2 wall all tubing is 1/4 in
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I think if someone came up with an standard beam solution for converting the super over... they would be very busy with those.
One has. It's called a welder

I've done two. My 71 rides on a converted 71 superbeetle chassis with a ball joint framehead and beam, and my brother in law's car is a 74 with a link pin beam.


Seriously though, if nothing else, the bolt on adapter would open up a lot of cars to the buggy world, though going that far, I'd just as soon see one use a-arms. We discussed this here before, but a bolt on adapter using a mustang II crossmember and suspension would be nice, especially on a super.
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Around here Supers are easy to find and a little cheaper, especially those with damage in the front. I am working on one right now. I'd love to have an adapter/extension to stretch it 8-10 inches and drop[ 2-3 inches using either lp or bj beams.
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Seriously though, if nothing else, the bolt on adapter would open up a lot of cars to the buggy world, though going that far, I'd just as soon see one use a-arms. We discussed this here before, but a bolt on adapter using a mustang II crossmember and suspension would be nice, especially on a super.
Back in the early 90's someone came up with a bolt on "A" arm kit for a standard bug front end. It was advertised in the VW mags. I think it was around $1200 for the kit. I wanted one for the dunebuggy I was building but couldn't afford it.

Everything depends on price. VW people in general are still cheap bastards. Well, frugal is more like it. So I can see there is a big risk in making these things ahead of time and having them sit around until they are sold.

Tinbeater had the right idea when he made them to order. If you have the capacity to do that, it's great. A few years ago I was ready to plunk down $16k on equipment for my own CNC plasma set-up. I didn't have the time or space to do it right. Now that I got my hours cut at work, I kind of wish I HAD done it.
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Back in the early 90's someone came up with a bolt on "A" arm kit for a standard bug front end. It was advertised in the VW mags. I think it was around $1200 for the kit. I wanted one for the dunebuggy I was building but couldn't afford it.
I remember that.

If you had a CNC, a small robotic welder and bunch of plans for various parts and bits you would have a pretty complete build to order biz that would have a pretty darn fast turn around on orders.

I have a friend that owns a biz that makes earthquake proof wine barrel racks. He bought 1 robotic welder and laid off all of the welders. It runs 24/7, does absolutely flawless work and never complains. The one $20,000.00 machine does as much work as 4 professional welders and requires pretty much zero skill to setup and operate.

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I'd have to check but I think the bolt-on A-arm kits are about 3x that much now.

There are customers out there for all this but you'd have to already be in the industry & have the equipment if you want to make any money. I'd do it to supply quality parts but I'd have to have a ROI of some sort and I just do not have the start-up capital needed. I don't need to support my family by making volksrod parts but I can't lose money doing it either.

I still have no plans to produce extensions or adapters at this time.

I will continue to work on designs as I get time.
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I remember that.

If you had a CNC, a small robotic welder and bunch of plans for various parts and bits you would have a pretty complete build to order biz that would have a pretty darn fast turn around on orders.

I have a friend that owns a biz that makes earthquake proof wine barrel racks. He bought 1 robotic welder and laid off all of the welders. It runs 24/7, does absolutely flawless work and never complains. The one $20,000.00 machine does as much work as 4 professional welders and requires pretty much zero skill to setup and operate.

Its a thought.
I'd like to see that. I have a little experience with robotic welders and have never found that to be the case. Plus, it still takes a person to do the fitting, tacking and touch-up after the robot. That's on top of cutting all the piece parts.
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