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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:36 AM   #1
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Default Bus trans in a beetle ?
Re:: can i change the entire drive line ?   

can i change the entire drive line from the 78 bus to a 61 beetle ? with out major problems ? I know i can swap the motor if i want to make an investment with Jake from Air cool technolgy .
Are the axles interchangeable ?
Just thinking it would be easyer .. then spending extra money.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:50 AM   #2
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

To stay swingaxle you have to get a pretty fancy conversion. You mainly see this swap on drag cars.
To go IRS. You would have to weld control arm mounts to your pan and use Beetle IRS arms, hubs and springplates. The axles and mounts would be aftermarket items. Common for use on Baja Bugs. Inner CV would be Bus and outer Bug or with the right hubs, Bus on the outside.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #3
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

then i don't understand why the trans are worth so much ?
I don't think many people are building sand buggies due to the economic times . I guess they would fit a newer VW beetle easyer ?
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Old October 5th, 2009, 02:35 PM   #4
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WOW ! ! ! Bus transaxle conversion and a possible Raby built engine ?! ?! ?! ?! What are you building? Got any pics?
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Old October 5th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #5
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

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WOW ! ! ! Bus transaxle conversion and a possible Raby built engine ?! ?! ?! ?! What are you building? Got any pics?

If it was feasible i may have , but not t this point seeing this information . I want to be on the raod next year .
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Old October 5th, 2009, 05:01 PM   #6
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

There isn't a lot of reason for putting a Bus transaxle in a street car. Most have lower R&Ps which help with big tires on a Baja or "sandbuggy". They're a little beefier also. There are a LOT of folks building off-road cars...bad economy or no and a Bus trans is much cheaper than a $7,000 Mendeola!! Not nearly as good, but lots cheaper.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #7
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A stock Bus trans is stronger, but the R&P ratios are pretty crazy for a street Bug.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #8
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

a few people have suggested i get a bus trans(091) and have the gears redone for when i do my subaru swap. i guess it would be to it being beefier but i really have no clue, the trans was my worst subject in garage car school.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 05:25 AM   #9
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

I have a stock 091 six rib in my chopped 70. It actually was pretty good on the road with the 457 r/p and stock gears. We put slicks on it and got 8-1/4 mile passes on it before it took out the spider gears. Now we will be building it up to handle the 2276 turbo with the slicks. If the car kept street tires on it at all times I think it would hold up pretty good. If I remember right, at 60 mph the rpm's were at 3200 with a 26" rear tire.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 01:32 PM   #10
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Your 78 transaxle should have gearing like a 6 volt transaxle so like stated it is not to bad. It is not a direct swap but you can get IRS rear arms and aftermarket pivot points. You can rent jigs, make a jig if you have an IRS pan around or swap the pan. You need to pull the body to install the conversion kit. You will need conversion stub axles that are bug splines and have 100 Bus cv bolt pattern or VW thing stub axles about $100, Bus to bug conversion axles. LR $100 real ones from Sway Away $220. Your shift rod and shifter will run on top of the tunnel. Gene Berg sells the parts to keep it in the tunnel and convert to T-1 internal shifter mechanism. $800. The T-1 transaxle with mininal expense will take a good 250 HP (normally aspirated) as long as you know how to treat it. The water box and slicks are its enemy. If your going to drag race you will want a staging brake.

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Old October 8th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #11
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

091's are too tall for street beetles with less than 26" tall tires.

good for 1/8th mile and some N/A motors but that's about it. they will take roughly 200-250 hp a type 1 is just fine for soooo many beetles...091 is for the serious off roader or racer looking to use a strong case and different internals...most trans shops don't use much of anything out of an 091 when making for off road.

as for converting, from the package tray,belhousing upper and lower mounts down to the nose cone and even to the axle lengths, don't waste your time.

oh yeah and a real built trans from a REALshop will set you back a cool 5k
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I have put 250 HP through a type 1 swingaxle for over 8 years with an average 1.41 60 ft time running 6.80s to low 6.90s depending on the track we are at. No problems other than replaceing a 2nd gear syncro. A bus trans will take a little more HP to turn than a bug trans does. Unless you are doing some serious racing or off roading, a bug trans is all you need IMHO.
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Used a car trans hill climbing in Ky, for over 8 yrs.
Replaced 1 set of spyder gears.
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

I also had a semi built t1 trans for years in the street car with a race past and whipping on the streets for over 4yrs and it too took it all.

I had to put an 091 in the chassis car being that it has over 400hp and it's senseless to torture a t1 knowing full well it is the weak link in this kind of hp and driveline.

a stock t1 is strong too,built it's will last for a very long time.
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Default Re: Bus trans in a beetle ?

well im planning on the putting a subaru 2.5l turbo in the back end, it will probably between between 250-300 horses. any suggestions on a tranny and tranny mod i should look into.
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Just call Rancho and have them build you a nice T1 trans.
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