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Old October 9th, 2009, 08:50 AM   #1
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Default Official Corvair to VW Conversion Thread
Re:: engine swaps, conversions, speed bits   

Got the need for speed? want more power in an easier to work on engine? CORVAIR!! but wait, how do we get there from here?

is this big bastard gonna fit inside my bug or bus? YES

with a simple bellhousing conversion it will bolt right up to your bug or bus transmission. you WILL need a Clark mfg. co. conversion to do so. the flywheel (130 tooth) is a special made re-machined 6v bug flywheel. 200mm pressure plate bolt patterns are then used; VW on the shelf clutch & pressure plates can be used, or buy their high-grip models. you can purchase anything from stock strength to balls-out G.I. Joe kung fu grip racing clutches.

Now, the 'vair engine rotates counter clockwise. On your swingaxle bugs, you can flip your diff and ring gear over and voila! it spins backwards, but it also puts the stress at different parts of the case that wasnt really designed for this bastardization. most times it will hold up.

the meat N taters of the conversion in IRS trans setups is the reverse rotation conversion. Never worked on one of these flat 6's??? dont worry, its a breeze! if you got lefty loosey righty tighty remembered, then youre home free. A special cam is made that essentially keeps #1 piston as beginning firing order, but the rest is backwards. you can still time your engine but the hash marks will need to go the other direction from 0 degree. the cam bearing journals will have to be modified slightly and a cam gear is used thats bolted on. the dizzy will now spin backwards (counter clockwise) and the oil pump gets a gear on the dizzy shaft to let it go back to normal rotation again. pies N cakes, huh?!!

People with the conversion often complain about tossing belts. well, there's parts to fix that! chances are they didnt buy them. when the vair is reverse rotated, the slack side of the fan & alt. belt is on the alternator side. a special pulley guard bolts to the alternator to keep the belt guided and from slipping off. a reverse-stamped fan also keeps the airflow on the alternator when its been converted to clockwise rotation. many of these parts are easy to spot so that you know if its been converted or not already. also, a small cover plate will be over the hole leading to the tube for heating at the front (towards front of car) of the engine on the top engine tin. the alum/mag fan blades are straight, so the fan works either direction. An oil cooler at the back of the engine has a shroud directing air over it as well. this engine has a spin-on filter setup as well! easy-peazy maintenance. the valves can be set when running via using a "1/3" valve cover to trough the oil while running. set them once, and its good for years. the engine also has a oil pan and pickup like a traditional engine.

you get the simplicity of a VW engine, with modern amenities and LOTS more power. they range from 95 hp to 170 turbocharged stock form. essentially the engines are the same take a few points for compression ratio, and the heads/carbs.

"I wanna go fast, momma!" So we want performance, we cant leave it well enough alone stock, can we??? NO!!!!

Money is best spent in the heads, nothing new here. there are
single and double carb variety heads, with custom setups running 3 webbers per side! sounds like hot sex on wheels huh!?!?!?

I run an IECO brand 4bbl conversion, to fit the 4 1bbl carb locations stock on the "140" engine that is about 150 hp stock. this simplifies the carb, no need to synch, and tunable with many parts off the shelf. I run an Edelbrock 600. probably should be leaned out over stock parts to make this 2700cc happy. yes, 2700!!!! and there are people out there that will modify 94mm Mahle pistons and cyls to make this a 3100cc beast!! the heads are flycut to fit, and the cylinders are re-drilled to match the slightly different bolt pattern of the vair engine. forget needing to helicoil the block, as it rarely ever hurts the fasteners on this engine. I think they are already 10mm or so in size.

larger deep sump oil pans are available to help cooling and take lateral G's easier without starving the block.running an aftermarket harmonic balancer ( i have one)replacing the stock crank pulleys make this rev FAST and responsive while making the engine electric motor smooth . valve covers are made to match the oil pans so looks and go fast goodies can match. mine are IECO finned aluminum.

gaskets are available in many different assorted kits, from freshening up to a master rebuild. Viton & silicone upgrades are available as well. plenty of NOS parts float around as well. custom headers for buggy use are sold as well, but I think I might go with a set for a corvair, as we have more room than they do for pipes due to less clutter back at the trans. A custom rear bracket would be best used to help support the rear of the 100 + extra lb. engine but it also would tie into the chassis for more support, and wheelie bars might be in order depending on the use of the car!!

many an engine can be found for sale online and regardless what series it is, you can make it fast, especially in a VW!!

i'm sure i missed some things, but this is off the top of my head and i'm still a noob at it. I will devise a price list for the conversion and have it compared versus a VW build. this will get interesting!!!!!
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Old October 9th, 2009, 09:21 AM   #2
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$574 for the basic conversion given you are swapping the ring gear on your swingaxle trans. vair engine is standard c/cw rotation. mount, flywheel, manual, starter adapter.

$719-$738 with clutch and pressure plate. the clutch/PP is NOT proprietary. a 200mm late and disc is used. they merely machined the flywheel for the corvair crank. your hardware for the plate will go on it.

ok... to do the whole shebang with a reverse rotating engine so the VW wont have to be modified at all;

$78 for reverse alt. fan & pulley - 3 chewed belts cost more.

$650 gets you the adapter plate, cam, dizzy gears, hardware,throttle adapter, clutch/p.p./flywheel. 2400 lb setup ( competition)
prices go to $690 if you order with less aggressive clutch setups ( 1300 or 1600 lb) and/or 6v flywheels. the ring gear on the flywheel can be changed as they use modded 6v flys and put a gear on them per order.
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http://corvairkid.com/190cid_01.htm VW cylinders big bore setup w/dyno results...
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With the stock motor running the tranny in reverse, would this be perfect for the mid-engine setups? You wouldn't have to flip the ring gear but can/ could/ should/ would you run the transmission backwards like that? Will everything still engage properly?
What are the engine dimensions?
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if you ran the trans backwards, you'd be set, no diff flip and the case would see the stresses of an otherwise hot VW engine. with a diff flip, it puts the stress on it in different locations as if you were 4 gears reverse and one forward. minus the whine of straight cut gears in reverse.

the engine is as wide as the missing rear apron on our 70 drop top bug. it fits right in and i doubt the opening will need to be cut open on the sides. valve covers should be easily accessed with the engine in place, as with the VW. check out my pics in the build thread below or here in my member intro thread. the engine is bolted up just to make sure a 12v starter is what it needed and it will go back soon to test compression on the cyls. it will give you an idea of the footprint involved. it hangs about 5.5" past the rear apron and the back bumper should be able to hide a mount that can slip into the studs on the engine as it fits into the rear mounts on the body at the same time. this would really help tie the chassis & body in together. i'll get engine dims soon, got the headgasket swaps on the daily to deal with right now.....
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do you have any photos of a corvair engine in a bug . also what do running corvair engines go for . i could easily be talked into a vair engine in my kdfmangler . i would like to see one in a vw
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i havent been able to find good pics of one in a bug, show wise or else... a running motor can be had for a few hundred or so, depends what the owner is needing on trade too!! sometimes its cheaper to buy the whole damned car its attached to. theres a stuck turbo motor on CL in ohio for $800, but a running engine in a not-roadworthy car for $400... pull the trigger!!
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i sit here corrected. http://www2.cal-look.com/nostalgia/bugz.html
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hay thanx for the link. now you got my mind athinkin. i have been googling corvair engines . founf some neet stuff. i posted a wanted add on the local craigs list to see what would come up. how knows . anyway i was in talks with a friend of mine about building a 1915 vw engine but i kinda wanted something different for my car.
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This Bug has a Corvair in it. Sorry, no pic of the engine.

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here's a Mazda rotary rail step-by-step. i guess this is a little off topic but swaps are welcome on this thread!!

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i've been planning on doing a subaru conversion in my vr. but now i'm thinking all sorts things thanks to your post. i had never even considered a corvair motor, the only thing right now is i wanna keep my decklid and apron. so i'd have to see how well that would go.
do you think it could be crammed into a notchback?
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i think the wasserboxer takes more room up side to side, where the vair is from the 2 cylinders extra. in a notch, not sure how much extra room would be needed. gonna take more measurements soon as to how much i'll be cutting away. i think it extends past the apron about 5.5" or so.
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we need some more photos . i am not totaly sold yet but i could be . lets see some pics
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good read and pics in buggys......
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I built a `61 Baja with a complete `62 Corvair powertrain back in mid-`72. I built a cage out of 3/4" square tubing at the rear to support the rear of the engine and tube adapters with heim joints to mount the 'Vair swing axles to the spring plates.
That winter I bought a slightly tweaked `72 bug that had been driven over a curb and busted the transaxle casing. The engine had been sold and I got her for $150.00, and sold the gearbox for the same price. I ran a '65 Corvair 110 hp with the 'Vair 4 speed w/IRS and a posi. '64 and later came with the belt guides. To mount the rear of the engine I beefed up the area around the rear bumper and mounted it there. For the extra weight I used bus torsion bars and adapters, cause to stock ones kept sagging.
The front suspension was bent from the curb hit and a Ghia front end with Porsche steering box went in after notching the pan for the pitman arm. I could cruise at seventy all day and get almost thirty to the gallon. Carb was a 500 cfm Holly two barrel on a home built mainfold...'Ran a copper tube along it to keep it from icing up. I'd split and widened early steel fenders all around and she sat pretty low.
The Transporter ran a 140 Hp and Powerglide (Corvair IRS, etc) until I swapped in the V8 in late `'79. The Corvairs are tough engines and the aluminum is a really good alloy. I'd rebuilt both with TRW pistons, the 140 hp cam and had everything balanced.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Corva...RCHQ3aUSQ3a101

there's an ebay ad in cali for one already converted w/adapter, just needs completed.... CHEAP!! its $650 + for the conversion kit!!
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1973 VW Volkswagen Bus - $270 (Waterford)

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Deluxe bus with 110 Corvair engine and transaxle conversion (Otto Parts). Aftermarket sunroof, camper (Jalousie) windows on each side. This is a parts bus not a viable restoration candidate. (start with something less rusty.) Sliding door track is rotted away. Includes custom day camper bed set up. Has Toyota Celica seats





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Corvair FC/Wgn Engine - $125 (Chesterfield)

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so all of the blocks are ok ? what are the good heads to get 140hp +? how hard are they to rebuild? i have rebuilt a sbc and a volkswagens before but is there any tricks or special thing to know?everyone keep talking about these engine and they kinda realy make sence in a vr. i just dont want to get screwed by getting the wrong engine or parts. i want the most hp like 140+ with out building a killer engine . i have always liked getting a factory big engine to start with instead or a smaller engine and building it way up to the edge or reliability.
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the engines are just about identical but the power is in the heads. i would say this combines the simplicity of a SBC and a VW engine. bearings are halved so you dont need to do the boiling veggie oil trick to slip new gears & bearings on the crank. you can visibly spot the wear on the internals without cracking the "case" apart like in a VW. main thing to remember, DO NOT let the head studs unscrew out of the block or screw them in further than needed, they are an " interference" design and must stay put as good as possible. other than that, i dont see where these engines are complicated at all.

even the lowly corvair 6's made 95 hp, so you cant really go wrong. i listed some parts cars from ebay and craigslist to show how easy it is to score a runner or parts to build one up pretty easily. even fully restored 140s can be had for less than $2500, what would $2500 get you in the VW pre-built world???

granted the $900 or so total investment to go into a VW with the reverse rotation kit and mounts and exhaust, its still a killer bang for the buck setup.
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does anyone know what avolkswagen type 1 engine weight is . a vair is 310 to 325lbs ready to run.
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The type 1 engine complete with everything will run you almost 235 lbs on the number. This includes starter, alternator, fuel pump, exhaust...everything.
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here ya go!!! a buggy and 2 more engines, up for sale, Fairmont/Clarksburg WV area.
DIRT CHEAP to acquire these but who knows how much they will end at.....

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/wildchil...1&_from=&_ipg=
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