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View Poll Results: How many people would go F.I if it was simple? How much?
Yes 29 52.73%
No 9 16.36%
$250 14 25.45%
$350 14 25.45%
$450 9 16.36%
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 07:43 PM   #1
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Re:: How many would change over to it?   

I have a friend that is developing a Universal Fuel injection kit that can be installed with simple tools, uses your stock carb setup, and has the ability to be programmed for MPG, performance or a combo of the two. This unit can also be used with multiple carb setups.

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How many people would convert to Fuel Injection if it was easy, simple to install, and affordable?

How much would you pay for it?
$250
$350
$450

Who would be willing to place an order when they become available?


I have a chance to be a distributor of these (no retail price yet) and if there is enough interest I would front the startup costs and be interested in being setup as a vendor on this board. If you have any comments or questions please email me.
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How will this system compare to the Megasquirt ?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 07:49 PM   #3
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Default Re: DIY Fuel Injection Kit, Easy, Affordable, Simple?

I am not familiar with the Mega Squirt, but this system will have and the advantages of F.I. and be adjustable and simple to install. It will work with single carb setups and will multi carb setups with the purchase of extra sets of injectors. Only one computer will be needed.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 07:57 PM   #4
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Default Re: DIY Fuel Injection Kit, Easy, Affordable, Simple?

Ok lemme' guess!
It will be a single point throttle body style programmable EFI that piggybacks a single fuel injector onto a (gutted) stock carburetor
The hardware part would be easy-peasy if your budy can write a program & all that stuff it would be great.
Let me also suggest that adjustable timing could be accomplished simply by adding a vacuume solinoid in the line that goes to the advance.Have the solinoid activated by your computer

Speaking ofcrazy ideas here is one you can have for free...
I have seen dual point distributators I bet you have seen them also
How about 4 sets of points in one distributater with each one triggering it's own ignition coil. this would eleminate the cap and rotor. Also by fiddling with point gap the ignition timing of each cylinder would be adjustable
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:00 PM   #5
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http://www.megasquirt.info/

The Megasquirt controllers are available as kits, or pre-assembled.
Their tech support is staggering.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:16 PM   #6
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Default Re: DIY Fuel Injection Kit, Easy, Affordable, Simple?

Wow, the mega squirt looks like you need a degree to install, too many choices.

This system will be much easier with a minimum of components. I can't go into specifics yet but it will be a complete kit with everything you need to convert your existing setup and no laptop required.

It sounds skeptical but this is something new.

I will be able to give more info in about 3 weeks. Right now I want to know how many people would convert and how much they would pay if it was an easy complete system.
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If it was reliable and provided similar if not better performance than some expensive carb setups.....dual idfs......I would be very interested.
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It would be worth it if you made it butt-simple and essentially bolt on. The megasquirt is the standard low-buck programmable setup. It's a lot of info, but if you can tune that thing the sky's the limit. Much better than any factory EFI system because it doesn't have all of the weird 'cockblocker' trips that stock systems can have. So much of modern EFI is just trying to keep ahead of EPA regulations rather than enhancing performance or even reliability (it's all great until something breaks and you have to figure out which unmarked black box is leaving you stranded).

Again, the best path that I can see for what you want to do is having it as a bolt on kit, priced to be competitive with a carb setup. Otherwise (especially in a forum like this) folks could just as easily fab up their own system - injector bungs welded on a dual Solex setup using the carbs as TBs and various OEM sensors adapted, and a brain running megasquirt. Don't know if it's still a 'hot setup' but I even saw people repurposing Nintendo Game Boy Advanced units to run their EFI setup.

I don't know whether I'd go through the trouble myself to retrofit one, but I drove a later model Beetle with EFI and it was pretty cool. All of the low speed response the carbs don't have, much smoother running and I'm sure got better mileage. And with any EFI system that isn't botched you always end up with more power under the curve than carbs. If someone's thinking about doing something like this, I'd suggest finding an EFI Beetle and test driving it - I'll bet you'll like it.

Generally I think you've got a good idea. Price it right and it shouldn't be too hard to sell - been awhile since I looked but I stopped dreaming of EFI aircooled after seeing the $2k price tag on an aftermarket EFI setup. A 500 buck system would probably sell really well. You'd be getting a lot of people who aren't after huge power but want the benefits of EFI for their old aircooled, way bigger market than hoons who should have better sense. (Hey, I'm on this forum, ain't I? Sometimes it's good to be broke, since I'd probably get there really quick anyway!)
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Speaking of DIY EFI, has anyone ever tried using a motorcycle EFI set-up on a VW motor?
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I've been kicking around the idea of taking the turbo off the '61, bumping the compression up to 10-10.5, replacing the mild cam with a hotter one, and going with dual carbs or EFI. Since CB Performances set up is $3k, dual carbs are a more practical option.

If this kit could be made to work with a performance 1955cc engine with out stumbling or starving I may be interested once it's proven it's self.
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 07:28 AM   #11
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Gona be hard to compete with megasquirt/microsquirt.
price and tuning ability will be key. would it support gorced induction? wide or narrow band O2?
i'm planning to throw a turbo at my bug with a carb, only cuase its sooo much cheaper than F.I.
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A "bolt on" VW kit would be cool, but it has to be able to
support everything from a mild 1776 to a turbo 2332.
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 08:55 AM   #13
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Default Re: DIY Fuel Injection Kit, Easy, Affordable, Simple?

Related question - on a mostly stock 1600DP, would FI be worth the cost and effort? Either Megasquirt, or this as-yet-unproven setup? The only FI I've dealt with in the past was stock, with herds of intermittent electrical faults - so it was about as reliable as Windows 95.

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I hate that kinda shit.
Old cars old technology = more fun, less frustration and money.
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Nope no interest! I like my cars without computers!! Computers cause problems. Cars worked better back in the days with carbs.
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My fasty has EFI, and if it wouldn't take 5 months worth of paychecks to change over to carbs it would be done already. K.I.S.S - keep it simple (stupid, shithead what ever you prefer). I'm pretty sure I wouldn't do it, but there would people that would buy them all day
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And I ask again...
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And I ask again...

Sounds like the answer is NO.
Maybe try on Samba and STF.

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i would be very interested i grew up with computer cars. I haven't been able to grasp the bucket with a hole in it concept as of yet. And right now my car wont run cause of a piece of shit solex carb and the carb shop that has my pict 34 wont return my calls. So i am in the market for a new carb anyway and if i can just gut the solex it would be worth a few hundred to me.To go F.I. and have some reliability what all part might come with this kit ?
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The kit will come complete with the computer, gauge ( showing air fuel ratio and to make adjustments, O2 sensor and bung. The other parts to be named later will also be included so no other parts are needed. This won't be like the squirt where you will have to source factory F.I. parts for your particular application. If you have a running motor and this kit you will be on the road.
It's been tested on a stock small displacement car already and worked great. They are working on the parts to make sure they are reliable and cost effective before the rest of the testing on higher performance engines are done.
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Speaking of DIY EFI, has anyone ever tried using a motorcycle EFI set-up on a VW motor?

Why a M/C EFI??
car parts are LOTS cheaper at the junkyard
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ummm, NO!
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i could see batch firing a big injector from a single point ,TBI versus fuel rails & individual injectors , to cut down on parts & install, an add-on hall effect crank trigger and ignition box... damn near swappable from engine to engine with minimal effort... i'd be game, maybe even to bench run a motor since my vair engine is just gonna stay 4bbl'ed....

loved 3d mapping in traffic with piggyback ecus, standalone setups would be new to me... but simplicity and $ is where it will draw the crowds......
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Sounds interesting. I have aseembled and installed a few megasquirt systems in turbo rabbits, jettas, etc, it is really simple to install but a little bit of a bitch to configure with the correct curve, now the reason why is been really easy to install for me is that most jettas and rabbits were already fuel injection so did not have to tap the heads or the intake manifolds to install injectors, etc. but a single port universal simple fuel injection system would be awesome.

remember the additional items you will need besides the actual system like hihg pressure fuel lines, return line, high pressure fuel pump, o2 sensor, bung, etc.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 06:10 AM   #25
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Hi
Did this go anywhere??

Or anyone know where to point me???

I am after a simple (ish) system to replace a carb and if it works well, could be interested in a bulk buy...
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