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Old September 24th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #1
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Gang,
I vaguely remember seeing this one on here. Anyone got a lead, history or build info on it? I looks like the body was shortened behind the door about 10". How much of a front chop does that look like? Now all I need is a standard beetle front end, some doors, a roof and a superbeetle front end (to build the rear) and I can get crazy.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 07:25 AM   #2
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I remember it as well, I'm amazed that I remember something from so long ago, but then again, I seem to be able to remember most things VW, more so if it has to do with my own, just ask my wife about that
As far as the chop up front goes, I'd say around 4 to 5 inches, but my eyes are getting worse & worse when it comes to that sort of thing, & to think 20 years ago I could eyeball 0.010" now, I'm lucky to be able to read a 1/16" with my naked eyes, 1/32" if I use cheaters

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Old September 25th, 2015, 07:31 AM   #3
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Looks similar to Hawaiian Punch , but I don't think it is.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 10:23 AM   #4
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Yes Ian, it is similar. Much like that candy apple/ root beer painted from France rolling on yellow marathon wheels. Seriously considering building one. Would love to roadtrip in something like that.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 02:30 PM   #5
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That's Georges' v-rod. If you go to the kustomcoachwerks.com readers rides Georges' hot rods about page 4 or 5 I think you will find it. George builds some wicked cool rides, not restricted to VWs. He has some wild old school American cars.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 04:26 PM   #6
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Thanks! Took a bit of digging but I found it. It gives me some good ideas!
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Old September 25th, 2015, 04:29 PM   #7
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I remember it as well, I'm amazed that I remember something from so long ago, but then again, I seem to be able to remember most things VW, more so if it has to do with my own, just ask my wife about that
As far as the chop up front goes, I'd say around 4 to 5 inches, but my eyes are getting worse & worse when it comes to that sort of thing, & to think 20 years ago I could eyeball 0.010" now, I'm lucky to be able to read a 1/16" with my naked eyes, 1/32" if I use cheaters



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I just read that he used a 69' bug. I have a 70' in the shop. I'll take a matching side shot and measure out the differences.
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P.S. As for being crazy. I think it's from hanging around with you sick bastards so long!:thumbsup :
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Old September 25th, 2015, 09:21 PM   #8
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http://kustomcoachwerks.com/forums//...6ec02&start=45
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There was a similar one out west,
probably in the "Is this Hawaiian Punch" thread.

Also search for Swoodard.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #10
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Yeah, I remember both of them.
My idea is to go along a similar route as George's but I was considering making it into a roadtrip type car. I'm thinking running a set of marathon wheels, rolling on American Classic Bias Look Radial Blackwalls 670R15 (28.24" diameter) https://www.cokertire.com/tires/styl...e-radials.html BUT here is the crazy part; Subie power and drivetrain, all wheel drive, rear engined. It would give us AC, heat, power steering (I think we'd need it with the AWD) and maybe even cruise control .
I would need wheel adapters from Ford hubs to the VW 4 bolt wheels, but I think that would be easy to source.
Time to find a trashed body to chop up!
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Where does the rad go ? Needs air flow.

And what will the driveline be, to get rear engine and 4wd ?
VW Syncro parts ?
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Old September 26th, 2015, 08:05 PM   #12
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Subaru tranny with a flipped R&P with the front (formerly the rear) diff flipped to run "backwards". I asked the guy at Subarugears in Australia about it and they already make the CV flanges for them. The radiator could go over the tranny. (With ducting)
Now all I need is some money.....
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Old September 27th, 2015, 10:28 AM   #13
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I didn't know you could flip a Subi diff.
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Old September 27th, 2015, 11:47 AM   #14
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Ian,
Check this out!
http://www.subarugears.com/
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Old September 27th, 2015, 01:10 PM   #15
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http://www.subarugears.com/Pricing/Pricing.html\
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VW diffs can be flipped, not every manufacturer is like that.
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Met a guy in Detroit, who had a mid engine Corvair driveline.
Custom made ring and pinion.

He knew someone at GM.
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Old September 27th, 2015, 01:42 PM   #17
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Yeah, it's coin, but this is all just crazy stuff anyway. The bad part I have found is that for the front differential, he only makes them for T2 CVs and I'd need 930s to match the outer spline count.
I'm looking at the wheel adapting and the adapters (I think) would really push the wheels out too far. I'll just stick with some aftermarket artillery wheels with the Ford pattern.
And since I'm thinking crazy ideas, what about inboard front disk brakes? Yes, it would put more stress on the axles and CVs, but I'm not going to be screaming down a track and power braking to hit the right apex. I'd do it in the back too if the starter wasn't in the way.
My wife saw me come in with my dial calipers and start plugging away on AutoCAD. She said I was a man on a mission.
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P.S. I think I just figured out a way of the front inboard CV issue. Give me a bit. I need the bolt circle of a T2 CV....

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Old September 27th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #18
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VW diffs can be flipped, not every manufacturer is like that.
The only reason I'd run the subie tranny is for the 4 wheel drive. It would take a lot more work but be freakin' original! Know of any other 4 wheel drive Volksrods?

Another thing is that I wasn't wild about George's front suspension. I know it's just a BJ with the shocks chopped off, but it looked to gangly to me. Maybe it was due to the adapters pushing the wheels so far out.

I'm doodling and I think I have a good idea on how to mount the inboard brakes on the front end. Yes, I know I have serious issues...
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There was a 4WD 32 Ford, done by Trepannier
for Summit a few years ago.
And someone else built one more recently.

The extra parts looked heavy.
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Inboard discs might be cool, if the wheels showed this off.
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Old September 27th, 2015, 06:42 PM   #21
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There was a 4WD 32 Ford, done by Trepannier
for Summit a few years ago.
And someone else built one more recently.

The extra parts looked heavy.
Troy's shop is about 30 minutes from my place. I saw his truck leaving an engine shop just down the street from me a few months back.
I'm just thinking AWD Volksrod would be a first.
As far as weight, I think I can keep it down. The weight difference between the Subaru and beetle would probably be about 800 pounds or so, not to mention it isn't a torque monster so I think I could keep it simple. Enough offset with the wheels and you could cover a bit of the components. With the openness of the VW front end, you'd probably be able to look under the wheelwell opening and see everything.
That's what I love about coming to this site. No ripping on crazy ideas, needing to spend $30,000 on a paint job, making sure all the parts are NOS etc... Just a run what ya brung attitude.
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Yes, I know I have serious issues...
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Which is why you and the rest of us are on this site. Yup, issues for everybody!

The inboard discs would make for less unspring weight. And fun to look at.
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Old September 27th, 2015, 07:51 PM   #23
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My thoughts exactly Kim. Also the centripedal force of the rotors would be removed, making turning easier. I think you'd still need power steering though to overcome torque steer.
I think Wilwood makes a rotor hat that would work with my crazy idea.
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There is a build thread on here somewhere of an all wheel drive beetle being built in Holland I believe using all wheel drive Vanagon parts.
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Don't want to be a spoil sport, but I believe Ian over in Denver is involved with a 4x4 bug, and I have seen at least two other threads where a bug was being treated to 4x4. One all custom stuff and the other a full Subaru set up, but with a stock format (engine in front) not like you are looking at. Interested to see how you go forward with this.
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