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Old December 12th, 2015, 11:39 AM   #51
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more progress. pretty much done with inner frame of body up front.

bent some square tube in the English wheel to form the lip that the seal channel will follow eventually. pretty happy with how that came out, still need to clean up welds though. also did some 'final' trimming and adjusting of the hood gap.





installed other rotor this morning too.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 12:11 PM   #52
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Looking good. Nice to see you're in a semi-rolling state. I'm really enjoying how she's coming together.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #53
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and more. had to split posts because windows wanted to restart for no apparent reason.

need some advice here. starting to get a feel for the donut portion of the body. not sure if I should put two strips together while building it to make the flange portion where the sides and top separate easier to do later or not. think it might be better to just do one first so I can adjust shape as I build the top part of the flange back from the A-pillar. realize this is confusing so maybe these pictures will help?



vertical strip is the one i'm talking about doubling to be the side/top mating flange.


top part of flange off A-pillar sort of visible here. if I just do one section at a time as I work around the hoop I can probably do a better job of keeping things the same from side to side. easiest if only one vertical strip needs manipulating.

also looking for steering setup opinions. tried fitting stock box and tie rods. hood hits-not really a surprise.



resulting in about an inch gap on drivers side.



so the question is, stick with stock setup, cut hole in hood? stock setup, bubble hood to clear, or convert to some sort of r&p setup? thoughts? kinda leaning towards bubbling hood right now but what do people think would look best? I want to put the battery over the passenger side tie rod I think because there's not really any other place for it. concerned that r&p setup might eat up battery space?
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Old December 12th, 2015, 02:32 PM   #54
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Salvage yard R&P might do you some good. Hard part is finding a decent one that is not power.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 02:57 PM   #55
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Considering the curves on your ride, and your talent with metal, a 'blister' in the hood over the box would look pretty cool.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 03:19 PM   #56
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Yea. Leaning towards blistering/bubbling hood. If I fuck up I'll cut a hole out. Can always make a couple different hoods for it I guess if I wanna try again.

Gonna look around for this rpu thread.

Any thoughts/comments on forming body flange thing?
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Old December 12th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #57
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Any thoughts/comments on forming body flange thing?

Um, your ride is sooo far out of 'The Box' I have no idea what a "body flange thing" is.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 03:47 PM   #58
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Me neither yet. That's how come I'm asking how I should build it.

Basically I want the sides to be removable. But since the fender has to slip over the spring plate, that means there has to be a parting line in the middle on the top somewhere, or hidden somewhere near the "beltline" on the side. I think hiding it in the beltline would look fancier and be harder to do so I have to go that route.

So freaking confusing its making me nuts. Haven't been able to find a shot of the steering setup in hotrodhebs rpu. Its a shame so many old pictures have disappeared.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 06:30 AM   #59
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Considering the curves on your ride, and your talent with metal, a 'blister' in the hood over the box would look pretty cool.
I concur - a bonnet blister seems most fitting - even more so if you're already inclined to do so.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 01:24 PM   #60
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so I ended up not doubling up the vertical bits of the body flange/hoop thing. and I think it came out pretty symmetrical, but it might be off center towards the drivers side by 5-10mm. shouldn't be too noticeable when the skin is on and i'm gonna say that's on purpose to account for the driver and steering wheel. all part of the plan...

first though here is a shot with the front end off the milk crate. hood still needs blistering.



so heres how I started the body flange, I started the tops as pairs working from the a pillar back. this way I was able to measure stuff as I went and make the pairs of top parts the same as I worked around the top part of the hoop.



cut weld repeat many times, and you get this







except for the first two pieces, everything started as a 9"x4" rectangle. I needed 10 total. it took a while.

because the stock body mounts on the torsion housing are sort of obscured by the fender portion of the body, I decided to tie the hoop into the shock mount. not sure yet if this is a permanent or temporary solution.



and now that the center support is cut out of the way I can see again how well (poorly) the fender fits in here.



looks good from this angle but it is going to need a bunch of work.

also been calling around for quotes on having hoops rolled professionally. thinking the dome is kinda the focal point of the vehicle so if any part is going to need to be close to perfect that is the part. also decided to go out to a 4' OD. might as well give myself as much interior space as possible.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 09:34 PM   #61
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For me, Area 51 is starting to really come together as a design. I kept looking at the fender with the trailing arm hanging out and thinking WTFO? I believe that "BRILLIANT" sums it up.
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Old December 16th, 2015, 12:57 PM   #62
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Glad its well received. Pretty gratifying to see it coming together as close to my 5 year old sketches as it is.

A bit more done yesterday, fit 1/2" by 1/2" square tube along the top side outer edge of the body flange hoop thing about 2/3 the way around. Top skin of body will weld to this. Also trimmed OD to leave a 2" flange all the way around so its not polygonal anymore.

Today bought more steel and dropped off to be rolled. Hope its done Friday so I can fuss with bubble hoops this weekend.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 05:49 AM   #63
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loving this bro. I used a pair of inverted wings to make the rear corners of my project, worked out decent. I'm hoping your bubble butt works out as nice as I visualise in my head!
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:20 AM   #64
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So, this may be a bit weird, but here goes. Due to my time in the Army, I have a serious case of tinnitus. Hang on, you'll see where this is going. To somehow compensate for the constant ringing in my ears, my brain, such that it is, plays music to distract me. When I look at this project, a song from my childhood pops into the player. Anyone else out there remember the "Purple People Eater" song?
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:44 AM   #65
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Old December 17th, 2015, 02:16 PM   #66
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Sure looks good to me
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Old December 17th, 2015, 02:19 PM   #67
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I fucking hate computers.

2nd attempt to update.

got some important shit done today.

First, I blistered/bubbled out the hood to clear the steering box. realized when I was done that I'm not sure if the angle of the box is quite where I want it yet and that this could affect the clearance. But I also don't have the body/pan gasket in place yet which should give a couple more mm of room so hopefully it all works out and I won't have to do anything but the finish work on it later.





pretty happy with the look at least.

then I finished up the square tube on the top side of the body flange. did a bunch of finish welding all over the hoop too so I don't have to do it later.



really liking the shape.

and I also started figuring out the transition from the body to the engine. I think if I skin the body right and modify the engine tins just a touch I can have an almost seamless transition between the engine and body. that's cool since I never really figured out how that would work when I first came up with the idea for this car 5 yrs ago, but seeing all the parts coming together in reality it is just going to work out. gotta love it when that happens.




the gap between the body and engine isn't as wonky as it seems. that's just because that engine tin piece never holds its shape unless all the other tin is there. plan is to use a stock engine seal to fill the gap.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 04:13 AM   #68
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Anyone remember the bubble top Ghia project?

http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showt...ht=ghia+bubble

He had a lot of info on doing a bubble. What ever happened to that car?
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Old December 21st, 2015, 04:43 AM   #69
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That was a cool project. I posted some links with bubble blowing information in that thread I think.

Did some playing around with the English wheel. Made some crap that I can't use and a reverse curve that I can use. Not yet ready for pictures and still waiting for my hoops.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 03:31 PM   #70
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lots of errands today. picked up my steel hoops.

2pcs 3/16"x1.5" 360deg @48" OD
1pc 3/16"x1.5" 360deg @24" OD
1pc 1/2"x1/2" 16ga square tube 360deg @48" OD
1pc 1/2"x1/2" 16ga square tube 180deg @24" OD
1pc 1"x1" 1/8" square tube 360deg @48" OD
1pc 1"x1" 1/8" square tube 180deg @24" OD



need some more 3/16" flat straight sections and then I can cut and splice stuff to try to get a shape kinda like this



an overview with what I've got so far. cut larger square tube into an inner and outer angled sections. placed one 3/16" flat in the outer section. still need to reshape but need more straight sections and cut off wheels.



have to hustle some vw parts and visit a friend in Pittsburgh so probably no more progress until after Christmas.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:07 PM   #71
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time for an update.

got all the hoops made up for the bubble top frame and mating piece for the body. 28 pieces needed to make the shapes I wanted. pretty tricky to maintain symmetry and an even gap.



used all my clamps and 1/8" thick scraps to maintain the gap.



got the mating piece tack welded in place.





checked position and reinstalled bubble hoop assembly. its tack welded together right now but eventually there will be hardware to hold it together.





shows the reshaped front part of the bubble frame.





couple of other angles just to make sure it looks good.

and then I had to see how close I got with my 3rd attempt at making a reverse curve a couple weeks ago.





also got some bits for the gas tank. not sure when I will get to that.

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He fits in this group too damn well!!!!:t humbsup:
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Old January 5th, 2016, 09:06 PM   #73
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Holy shit. This thing is so insane. It gives me Kustom vibes, yet at the same time It looks something out of the jetsons that crashed into Mad Max.. Seriously an english wheel is a toy which I've always wanted.. This is why. To form metal like that is fucking sweet.

Holy shit I can't wait to see this done. I can see this car ending up in a magazine... It's registered as a 1960 vw right? If you're ever in MN again crash back to the 50's with it when its done. Break some freaking necks.
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This is going to be one show stopper. Looking forward to following along.
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