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Old October 14th, 2016, 11:09 AM   #1
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Default Getting a motor to start with mystery parts.

Hey guys. I got the motor back into the 1958! Hur-fucking-ray! And now i find out the fuel line is clogged (Installed an electric pump and proved that..) I rebuilt the 1966's original gas tank and threw it in fixed its leaking at the base of the tank.

So now we're onto the heart of this discussion, or lecture for this idiot here.

I need to get this motor to at least freaking start. It is a mess of parts. It is the block from my 1968 bug which is an aluminum mystery block taken out of a hobby airplane combined with numerous mexican parts and I suspect a hot cam since the damn thing was pulling wheelies when the 1968 was up and running.

It has a holley progressive 2 barrel carb,

and the mystery distributor. It's a cast iron bosch of some sort. I don't think its a 009. I have no idea what the hell it is in all reality. Edit: I think its a Bosch 010 every one on the samba looks it, and its price smells of something relating to the 1958.

SO my question to you guys who have cobbled together vw's from part bins before.

How the hell do I static time this bitch? The books I got give me hilarious notions of using stock timing notions. Which obviously don't work.

The last guy who got the 1968's engine running told me the distributor drive gear was off like 45 degrees or something close to that. Yeah

So how do I get this damn thing running.

Oh yeah if any body has any good advice on how to unclog a fuel line that'd be great too! Don't think duct taping a gas can to the side of the 1958 would fly well with state troopers
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Find TDC on #1, make sure the rotor points towards #1 on the cap.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 03:10 PM   #3
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Find TDC on #1, make sure the rotor points towards #1 on the cap.
On the compression stroke (both valves closed and the lash slightly loose on both)
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Old October 14th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #4
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If it don't start. Have someone try to start the engine while you turn the distributor. You'll hear which direction that popping and spitting sounds most promising.
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I'd pull each end of the fuel line loose and use compressed air. But it's REALLY messy
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Old October 14th, 2016, 09:46 PM   #6
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For the fuel line. Pick up six feet or so of 1/8" hardware store cable. 'Fray' one end slightly and insert into either end of steel fuel line. Push in as far as possible. Using a variable speed electric drill, put far end into the chuck. Here it really helps if you have second person to help keep the cable from winding up on itself. At a very slow speed continue feeding cable into the line. This will usually clear the obstruction. Without help I've used and old piece of garden hose as a cable guide. Cutting pits off until the cable popped out the far end of the line. After the line is cleared, pour in solvent and blow at a low pressure setting to rinse out debris.
For static timing (and doing this on VW has been a while for me) set #1 cylinder on TDC with zero mark on pulley lining up with split of case. Check that rotor is pointing at #1 wire at cap. If so, move pulley until correct advance timing mark aligns with the 'split. Turn on ignition, with cap off move dist. until points just open and the spark occurs. Your timing should be very close. Tighten dist. clamp, install cap and fire her up. If you have a timing light you can dial things in once she's warmed up.
Like I mentioned, it's been a very long time since I last worked on a VW engine. If I'm wrong about the split being the timing mark, use the correct one. I've done this when starting a rebuilt engine or replacing a distributor with Corvairs and all manner of V8s using points.

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I had a progressive carb on my car and loved it!
Fuel line, get some non ethanol resistant line. It's called Barrier hose. It will save you headaches in the future.
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Bit of trivia here. Back in the mid-seventies the progressive two barrel was known as a "Pinto Weber." This was because the carb originally came on a Ford Pinto and made under a license from Weber. This was a very popular setup and we sold a lot of these carbs and the manifold/adapters to our customers. I remember removing the top from each carb and swapping the jets from the primary to the secondary before selling them. Buyers also usually bought .009 dist. and a better exhaust system.
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The Vega carb was a mirror image.
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When the Bug Spray got popular, a lot of dad's buddies were using them. One of them saw that it was just an expensive version of an old flathead carb, so he picked one up at Napa for dirt cheap and rejetted it.
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Had a friend of mine come over. He's new to this world but the bug bit him hard. So he's eager to dive in and lend a hand. I had him turn over the engine as I watched the valves. Yeah needs to say the TDC dent was not TDC. Found actual TDC marked it on the pulley using a screwdriver sprayed with spray paint. Rotated the distributor. Hit the ignition kicked the gas it roared to life!

Thank you guys for giving me advice.

Now I just need to clean out the fuel line! I blew air into it a few days ago so I wonder if that cleaned it out. I guess we'll see tomorrow!
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Make sure you run a fuel filter that you can see through. On occasion I've found a bit of water in the bottom of the filter.
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I had a progressive carb set up on my Bugs between 86 thru 97, I loved it, wishing I still had it

I always use a test light to set the initial timing on mine, it's so dadgum simple, once it's running I use a timing light to set the maximum advance because it has no vacuum advance



Glad to hear ya got it fired up


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Old October 20th, 2016, 07:09 PM   #14
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Any tips on setting the maximum advance. We were just happy getting the darn thing to run! I have a timing light what am I looking for? There's no numbers or anything on my pulley.
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Well your gonna hafta get out a protractor & make your own mark

I set mine at about 30 degrees maximum advance, I was told between 28 & 32


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Don't forget to keep the fuel filter away from the engine. Plastic ones melt leaky ones cause fires
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Dragged the car out of the garage. If I put it into gear if dies. I also had the throttle cable break on me. ( pedal end looks save able )

But I had my fiancée mark 30 degrees from the TDC mark so when I use a stobe light to time it I can get it there. How do I know when the dizzy stops advancing?
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When the timing mark stops moving (with the timing light in use), you will be able to see when the advance stops advancing... Usually around 2500-3000 rpm in my experience. Depends on the springs in the distributor as to what RPM it maxes the advance.
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Check the accelerator pump.
And point gap.
Choke open or closed ?

Might need a new fuel line.
Tank clean ?
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Got it running. Had my fiancée time it. So it runs decently now. (Has a lot of pep!) However now there's wiring issues. You press the brakes and the arrows on the speedo light up. So now the blinkers the brake lights and the windshield wipers don't work.

One step forward three steps back!
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Got the wiring sorted out. A blown flasher three blown fuses and a shorter out 1980's sparkomatic radio was removed ( it's power inline fuse was melted to a knob used to step down the voltage for the windshield wipers.) Turns out my dash is uncut!
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Hax... If you time that machine "by ear" and until it "runs best", the likelihood of burning a hole in #3 piston is very high. If your Fiancee Actually timed it with a light, and knows what she's doing... you're OK. If not... you need to make sure it all fits within the correct parameters. Max Advance I would run to be safe (due to unknown factors) would be 28 degrees at 2000-3000 RPMS (wherever the RPM's stop advancing the timing)
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Hax... If you time that machine "by ear" and until it "runs best", the likelihood of burning a hole in #3 piston is very high. If your Fiancee Actually timed it with a light, and knows what she's doing... you're OK. If not... you need to make sure it all fits within the correct parameters. Max Advance I would run to be safe (due to unknown factors) would be 28 degrees at 2000-3000 RPMS (wherever the RPM's stop advancing the timing)
We timed it to around 30 degrees and the engine runs fine. It seems to have a lot of power. It starts a bit roughly but it roars up to life.
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I so hate when somebody starts messing with the wiring harness & doesn't have the slightest clue to what the heck they are doing, back when I first got my Volksrod I bumped the left turn signal on & the starter gear engaged, it freaked me out, I shut it off & started messing with the wiring, everything was messed with, I just got out my wiring diagram & I rewired it the way it was supposed to be, eventually I swapped out the old fuse box for one I had that used the glass tube looking fuses
Eventually I'm gonna rewire it again & add the blade type newer fuses, they just look much cleaner

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