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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #1
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I can't seem to find any info on the internet.
Do they flip the ring and pinion?

Do they use a motor that turns in the opposite direction of a VW motor? The Engine to VW Transaxle adapter is specifcally made to be a mid engine and NOT a rear engine application for the specific motor that turns in the opposite direction of the Transaxle?

How can you install a mid engine VW aircolled motor?

I have no clue [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img] and looking for info on how it is done! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bowdown.gif[/img]

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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:19 PM   #2
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Typically the ring and pinion are flipped. If you used a motor that rotated the other way it should work in theory, but there might be some issues with running the tranny gears backwards??? You could always run a porsche 914 tranny and not have to flip the r&p!

To run a VW (or any other motor for that matter) as a mid-engine, you will need to make a complete custom rear chassis. Go to the members projects forum and look at the page for 1slo3 his notch roadster is mid engine (as well as being one bad ass pink car [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] !)
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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:20 PM   #3
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hmmm, i might have an idea!

flop the ring/pinion so that you have 4 forward and 1 reverse

cut out part of the pan, weld in some runners to hold the tranny, weld in the torsion housing, brace the runners to the upper structure for support, lower your engine into the new compartment and drive...
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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:22 PM   #4
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Typically the ring and pinion are flipped. If you used a motor that rotated the other way it should work in theory, but there might be some issues with running the tranny gears backwards??? You could always run a porsche 914 tranny and not have to flip the r&p!

To run a VW (or any other motor for that matter) as a mid-engine, you will need to make a complete custom rear chassis. Go to the members projects forum and look at the page for 1slo3 his notch roadster is mid engine (as well as being one bad ass pink car [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] !)
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if you are using an IRS car the 914 tranny is a pretty nice route to go!

thanks for the compliment hotrodheb...
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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:24 PM   #5
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Follow search engine links to "Formula Vee" - for example:
http://www.vintage-vee.com/manual.html
http://npmccabe.tripod.com/otherprojects.htm

They use a Type I in mid-engine configuration by flipping the ring gear carrier in the transaxle. ". . . It is recommended that this be performed by a qualified VW shop, since certain adjustments must be made that require tools not normally available. . . ."
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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:35 PM   #6
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please remember that unless you use a type 3 type subframe and are going to remove said sub frame, putting the engine in or pulling it out of your car will require a cherry picker/big hole in the top of the car and several friends
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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:37 PM   #7
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For the chassis, you'll need to modify the stock chassis or use something else (custom). Here's how it would be if you left everythign alone, no clearance for the motor





just an idea I had awhile ago


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or modified stock chassis (though I don't recommend the way this pict is where the engine is on top of the pans now)
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Old February 7th, 2005, 01:44 PM   #8
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this is how my pan looks
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Old February 7th, 2005, 02:07 PM   #9
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Buggy/sandrail guys have been running mid mounted aircooled motors for years. It's a pretty simple ring and pinion flip operation. Most anything that turns the same direction as an aircooled motor can be swapped in also.
And after searching the 'net for 30 minutes I haven't found out anything more technical than that..... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]
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Old February 7th, 2005, 02:19 PM   #10
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Use a honda B series motor, they spin counter clockwise and make good power. Use a b20 (2.0 liter) and it might even sound good.
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Try dune-buggy.com , go to Buggy Talk and search there. When my kids are gone and I do not need a back seat, I will have a Mid-engined bug that looks like my avatar (my old car), but, has 4-wheel discs, a 5-speed and a Turbo EFI 2.3 Ford. Ahhh dreamin' is fun.
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Old February 8th, 2005, 04:53 AM   #12
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And after searching the 'net for 30 minutes I haven't found out anything more technical than that..... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Idunno.gif[/img]
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I was hoping I wasn't the only one lost in the web, all would come up is "Mid Engine Sandrail" but no techincal stuff, I was ask on the Amer. Sand Assoc. BB and see if I could get more info.
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Old February 8th, 2005, 04:56 AM   #13
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For the chassis, you'll need to modify the stock chassis or use something else (custom). Here's how it would be if you left everythign alone, no clearance for the motor

The First 3 pics is exactly what I need to know (What it would look like before modifying) Thanks NICK!

I saw that green chassis on the internet, thought about ordering the CD and modifing it as necessary for a lighter engine.
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Old February 8th, 2005, 05:00 AM   #14
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this is how my pan looks
All this time, and I never realized your ride was a mid-engine. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rollingeyes.gif[/img]
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Old February 8th, 2005, 05:02 AM   #15
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Did you not noticed it was pink also [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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Did you not noticed it was pink also [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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Sh!!!!!!!!!T, only yesterday I realized it was not a baja! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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Old February 8th, 2005, 06:14 AM   #17
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URY914 on the www.914club.com forum has done this with his 914...could it be so much more work to add any body you want to?

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wow. that used to be a 914? crazy
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Another mid-engine pic:

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